Global warming - Are the deniers losing ground - Does anyone listen to them anymore?

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Sun May 27, 1:06 PM



By Matt Crenson





NEW YORK (AP) - Bold new initiatives against global warming have come out of major cities around in the world over the past few weeks - with the notable exception of Washington.


Meeting in New York this month, dozens of big-city mayors from six continents competed to present the most ambitious plan for reducing emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that cause global warming.


New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg touted his new 127-point plan to cut that city's emissions 30 per cent by 2030. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa committed to reducing his city's carbon emissions 35 per cent by 2030.


Toronto's David Miller announced that he had signed his city up for Zerofootprint, a carbon calculator and social networking website that helps individuals reduce their greenhouse gas production, to help Canada's largest city meet its goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by six per cent in five years and 80 p

It certainly seems that there is no room for debate amongst the population Global warming is an accepted fact -

YOU asked!!

You don't get it either - I don't care what caused it - It is here and taking measures to secure food and power sources is only logical -

The pathology of the disease can be discussed later lets treat the sympoms now instead of letting the stupidity of the argument go on while action is required

Answer 1

The "deniers" never had much ground to begin with, they are far behind the global curve and will simply be left in the dust.

State and city initiatives to create carbon-trading schemes, switching public transportation to hybrid, natural gas and other renewable sources of energy and energy-efficient building design are all going ahead.

As with stem cell research, our centers of technology and research and our large urban centers will simply bypass obstacles imposed by the federal government.

Answer 2

16 cities were involved in the article I just looked up. Only 16 and mere mayors. Not like a representitve from each country and these weren't goverment officials, mere mayors. With how much power? Most from the US to boot. Give me a break! And they decided everyone was on their own and only talked about gas emissions. Wow. I think you are in denial!

Answer 3

Now the global warming deniers have switched to saying... "Well okay we were wrong, it is warming up but it's nothing to do with us and we can't do anything about it so we might as well just accept it."

Unfortunately this is because generally they have no scientific background (or in a totally unrelated field - most of those with degrees seem to have it in economics rather than a science for starters) and don't understand the fact that we have rather clear cut evidence of what is going on that has been compiled over decades of pain staking research by some of the most brilliant minds in their respective fields of study. The global warming deniers talk about scientific concensus as though it meant that scientists simply decided to agree on something rather than on the fact that the concensus is derived from all of the scientific community examing the evidence and coming to agreement on what it means. To have scientific concensus should be telling us that most of the top minds in their field believe, based on all available evidence, that global warming is a reality and is being caused by our industrial practices.

We have better evidence for man made global warming than we did of thalidomide being mutagenic, of leaded petrol causing toxicity, of acid rain (which one poster seems to think isn't a problem) or of ozone damage from CFCs or for health effects of second hand cigarette smoke and yet some people are still choosing to dispute the ever growing body of evidence...

Yes most of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere isn't man made - that isn't the point though, the point is that the amount we are adding is clearly having an effect as it's pushing the earth's climate away from a relatively balanced state by adding more energy to the system. Personally I don't think we should be so worried about over heating... more immediately we should worry about the fact that this will make the weather more severe and less predictable which could lead to many millions of deaths and untold levels of economic damage. Agriculture could be severely disrupted as well since rainfall patterns are likely to change.

In the end it strikes me that noone in power is terribly serious about solving the problem though - because we currently have the techonology to solve it. Simply switch to geothermally generated electricity and battery powered electric cars... but of course that wouldn't serve wealthy special interest groups such as the petrochemical industry and the coal mining industry (who have paid for almost all of the 'research' and protests by global warming deniers interestingly enough). Nor would it now serve the insterests of the increasingly vocal nuclear power industry. Interestingly this view is getting to the point of slowing progress and industry since it's more expensive to generate electricity through proposed "clean coal" or nuclear power stations than through geothermal means as well as using far more land... are we going to oppose environmental reform even when it makes good economic sense for the sake of keeping coal companies wealthy?

Answer 4

First, there is always room for debate, what you are citing is nothing more than political grandstanding for the "flavor of the month" cause. Global Warming is now and has always been, a hotly debated topic because there are solid scientists on polar oppossite ends of the issue. Global warming will go the way of the second Ice age scare of the seventies and the acid rain scare of the 80's. Grow up. Global Warming has never been an "accepted fact", perhaps in your biased mind but not in the larger populace. Not everyone thinks drinking that kool aid is a good idea.

Answer 5

Absolutely not.
More & More Scientists are coming out and saying that Global Warming by Humans is a pure Hoax.
It's all about Money & Power.
ManBearPig (Al Gore) and his Company will make billions, if he can pull off this Hoax.

Answer 6

Sure its an accepted fact to all the Left wingers. I think its funny how the media claims the world is peachy when the Democrats are in office but when a Republican takes office how quick the sky begins to fall. P.S. we need to dig in Anwar and start building oil refineries so we dont have to continue relying on foreigners to refine our own fossil fuel.

Answer 7

How can anybody lose ground when, according to you guys, the debate is over?

Answer 8

Weather is cyclical.
do the research!
Cutting emissions can't hurt, and your talking about Politicians, who are will act on something if they think they will get a vote for it.

Answer 9

Makes no sense the world is just changing.

Answer 10

You don't listen...that's a problem...we don't say global warming isn't real...we say that the REASONS given for it are faulty...we have thermometer's too you know...we look over the history of cooling and warming periods that existed before SUV's and over population.