Hilary has announced that we should continue war for now. Will you support this new Dem position?

Question

Hilary agreed to the war and then she changed her mind. She will surely change her mind again, so if she does, will the leftist population then agree that this war is worth fighting?
The Democrats are playing political games at our country's expense. Most think we should surrender. Should we surrender and ask our enemy what their terms are? Because, despite what some may believe, just because we surrender, it does not bring an end to the war. For these Muslim extremists, it will not be over until we are destroyed (they don't hold hostages...they behead them).

Answer 1

I wish I could remember the exact quote, but some famous English politician once said that, the surest way to lose confidence in the sanity of democracy was to talk with some of the voters. He was implying that they had no idea what they were talking about, and hence, how can democracy function when the people are voting based on erroneous ideas and misinformation?

This is one of the main obstacles we in a representative democracy have to overcome. People in government know information and share secrets we can't even begin to fathom. When the Democrats denounce the war, they are doing this as a calculated means of getting votes. They've done the opinion polls, and they know they can gain a lot of popularity by opposing the conflict.

However, these opportunistic politicians also realize they have to be responsible. (Most of them) fully realize that, if we withdraw from Iraq, Iran will dominate the whole region, and backwards, intolerant Islamic fundamentalism will dominate the entire area. They realize that, if we withdraw, the insurgents will follow us back home. These Liberal politicians are not so stupid they don't realize that, the reason we haven't had a second 9-11 is that we're keeping them on the run so much that they have been reduced to blowing up buses three blocks from their homes. If we withdraw, they will have all the time in the world to plot another attack and carry it out with a vengeance.

So you see, the Democrats publicly denounce the war to get votes, but privately know the gravity of the situation. Hillary is not stupid. She knows the consequences of failure in Iraq. And the ironic thing is, so few people appear to realize one simple fact: "winning" means just getting the Iraqi government and military strong enough to handle the conflict themselves. We are so close to that goal. In fact, once we withdraw, it will me much harder recruiting new insurgents because they will have lost their biggest excuse for fighting.

Answer 2

The war is not worth fighting but sadly we must continue.

Let me explain my position. We entered Iraq under a false premises that there were WMD there and we needed to destroy them (The whys and wherefores of the lie are a different question) Once there we overthrew the government and accidentally caused a civil war.

Unlike Nam where we entered into an on going civil war that was none of our business, this Civil war in Iraq was created by us.

It is immoral for the United States to create a situation where people are dieing because of what we did and then just leave

We must pursue both a military and political solution to this conflict before we can leave.

That does not mean the war was worth it or that the terms Surrender or victory even makes sense. Who are we surrendering to? Who are we beating? These terms make no sense in this content.

We need to help secure the safety of the people and work with other nations in either firming up a government that then can secure peace or dividing the area into three areas for each ethnic group and allowing them to set up a government.

We would be worst then cowards if we left. But we would be worst then stupid if we keep talking in terms of victory.

This is akin to accidentally vomiting on the floor. You may not have meant to do it, you may have even had a good reason, but now that the vomit is there you just can't leave it on the floor and let other people clean it up

Answer 3

pachl (see above) has summarized the "big picture" accurately. This is a shell game and those of you who don't vote allow it to continue. There is no excuse for not voting in every election, including Primaries. Every American 18+ should vote! Complaining does nothing but make the complainer feel better.

Just read any discourse on YA about Iraq or politics, including this one, and you will see all sides repeating "talking points" fed to them by their respective political parties. There is little proof of the statements or half-truths spun to make a point.

It's fun to spout off. It's more fun to vote and then spout off.

Jim DeSantis

Answer 4

I think Al Gore says it best. We should have stayed in Afghanistan hunting for Osama rather than sending troops into Iraq. Sadam had nothing to do with 9-11.

My opinion: But now that things are a mess, we still should pull out of Iraq because we are in the middle of a civil war.

Ken Burns describes the entire situation best - 100 years from now the two Gulf Wars will be called "The Oil Wars".

Muslim radicals are everywhere, not just in Iraq. They are slowly taking over Europe and the USA by demanding that we be politically correct and let them integrate into our society. However, if you have read the real Koran (not the watered down nice version) - it states that they are to kill anyone who oppose Islamic law. Wake up people, political correctness and tolerance is going to be our downfall. They not only want to integrate into our society but they want to take away our right to practice Christianity as well. Did you know they are trying to get a law passed in Chicago whereby Chicago will have to blast the call to prayer over loud speakers 5 times a day. Hello!!!! - Anyone at home upstairs in the brain?

FYI - Allah is not the God of Christians and Jews. The Arabic name for “God” is the word “Al-ilah.” It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god. Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god. “Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Mohammed. It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Historians have shown that the moon god called “Hubal” was the god to whom Arabs prayed at the Kaa’ba and they used the name “Allah” when they prayed.
Today a Muslim is one who submits to the God Allah.

Answer 5

If the Democrats nominate someone who is too conservative (pro-war, anti-renewable energy, anti-income redistribution, anti-gay rights) I will break ranks in 2008 and vote for a bona fide leftist candidate.

Answer 6

I think that we need to clean up the mess over in Iraq before pulling out and believe that those in power would find it difficult if not impossible to disagree.

As far as Hillary goes, it depends on which way the wind is blowing.

Answer 7

Didn't she just vote to cut off funding. Oh I see it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind. I guess you got to have one first.

Answer 8

"I was for the war, before I voted against it"... John Herman Munster Kerry.

Problem is, many politicians can't stick to a plan. They bow to the opinion of the day.

That is at least one reason to respect Bush... He has made mistakes.. but he stands fast on his decisions.

Answer 9

You're extrapolating (i.e. making crap up) based on her vote on the funding bill. The reason she voted against it was because there was no time line provision.

Answer 10

I wont support Hillary. She is unelectable.
I will support the war, or at least coming to some type of conclusion. Pulling out is nottthe answer.