Why do cons lie about Clinton and Somalia?

Question

They like to blame Clinton for withdrawing troops from Somalia after Mogidishu, but the fact is both Democrats AND Republicans voted overwhelmingly to take them out. In absence of a declaration of war, the War Powers Resolution of 1973 gives congress the power to remove troops. BOTH Democrats AND Republicans voted overwhelmingly to take them out. Clinton had no choice once the funding was cut.

AS ALWAYS, HERE'S THE EVIDENCE:

WAR POWERS RESOLUTION OF 1973
Section 5(c)
"Notwithstanding subsection (b), at any time that United States Armed Forces are engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, such forces shall be removed by the President if the Congress so directs by concurrent resolution."
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/warpower.htm

H.CON.RES.170
Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), the Congress hereby directs the President to remove United States Armed Forces from Somalia by March 31, 1994 (unless the President requests and the Congress authorizes a later date), except for a limited number of members of the Armed Forces sufficient only to protect United States diplomatic facilities and citizens, and noncombatant personnel to advise the United Nations commander in Somalia.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c103:H.CON.RES.170:

H. RES. 293
"Resolved, That upon the adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to consider in the House the concurrent resolution (H. Con. Res. 170) directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from Somalia by January 31, 1994."
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c103:H.RES.293:

H.CON.RES.170
Title: Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from Somalia by January 31, 1994.
- Introduced to the House no 10/22/1993 and passed on a voice vote on 11/9/1993
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:HC00170:@@@L&summ2=m&

H RES 293, YEA-AND-NAY, 8-Nov-1993
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution
BILL TITLE: PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.CON.RES. 170; REMOVAL OF U.S. FORCES FROM SOMALIA

YES:
229 Democrats
160 Republicans
1 Independent

No:

3 Democrats
5 Republicans

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll548.xml

I HOPE PEOPLE NOTICE THAT WHEN I SAY SOMETHING I PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP. I DO NOT USE MOVEON.ORG OR OTHER LEFT-WING WEBSITES FOR EVIDENCE. I USE THIRD PARTY SITES LIKE THE OFFICIAL HOUSE AND SENATE WEBSITES.

NOTICE HOW OTHER PEOPLE SAY CRAP ABOUT CLINTON BUT DON'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP. AND IF THEY DO, OFTEN IT'S FROM RIGHT-WING POLITICAL WEBSITES.

To the clueless con below contard,

congress never declared war on Somalia back in 1993. We were there on a humanitarian mission. American troops were there ever since Bush Sr put them there.

cyclops,

Get a clue. When did I mention Iraq? I was talking about Somalia back in 1993. One of your fellow cons lied about Clinton. I posted this question to set the record straight.

Answer 1

Wow, not one serious response from the cons. I think you stumped them.

Come on, they lie because it is easy. But lets be fair, liberals lie too.

Answer 2

Have you any idea just how frustrating it is see see a bunch of left wing, never been anywhere, never done anything, arm chair quarter backs throwing stones over something they know little to nothing about?
While mine was not the only say in the matter about whether we should stay or go, I DID have a voice. I was there. I'd been doing "op.s" up in the northern sector of the Persian Gulf when that balloon went up. I (we) took the aircraft carrier Lincoln CVN-72 down there and parked it off the coast where we then began conducting air ops over their city, but leaving the carrier within eyesight (an awesome spectacle) but still out of their reach. We surveyed the situation to see what had gone wrong and if things were salvagable. It was NOT about politics. Had it been, I strongly suspect someone would have shot both Mr. Carter and Mr. Clinton well before this tragedy. Both were buffoons and in my humble estimation, neither had any business holding that estemed office. Warren Harding was more competent. Reviewing our current situation there (in SWA) is a lot like reviewing the prelude to WW I. You'd have to go back at least forty years to truly comprehend what put everyone on the road to disaster. In that instance, it was Otto von Bismarck. In this, it was Jimmy Carter.
But then, I know from experience, that I am wasting my time. You can't teach a bunch of morons who refuse to learn.

Answer 3

Of course you left out a whole lot.

Such as, In Operation restore Hope, the US deployed 25,000 soldiers and marines to Somalia to provide security and food aid to the Somalians.

That one of Clinton's first acts as president, was to order that 23,800 of the American soldiers and marines in Somalia to leave.

Thus leaving only 1,200 Us soldiers and marines in Somalia.

Clinton wanted the UN mission to look less American.

As soon as the American forces were withdrawn, all stability that had been created, was lost and Somalia again went into civil war.

To combat this, Clinton deployed delta force and a couple hundred rangers.

Clinton changed the humanitarian mission, into a search and destroy mission, to arrest Mohammed Farah Aidid.

Then denied them the equipment that requested to do the job.

After the Blackhawk down incident,

Yes, Congress demanded that Clinton end the mission.

Because Clinton had previously withdrawn the soldiers needed to carry off the mission.

Think about it, you withdraw 22,800 soldiers, then you start a fight?? that just doesn't make sense.

Answer 4

I blame George Bush for putting troops into Somalia and Clinton for changing the mission once they were there. Clinton decided to go after the warlords and turn the humanitarian mission into a fight. Once it was a fight he removed all the armored forces and most of the air support because he didn't want the mission to look like an occupation. So, we went into a fight without our equipment.

The whole thing was stupid. Remember that when people ask why we haven't gone into Darfur yet. Tell them that we aren't getting involved again. Maybe the African Union should deal with it this time around.

Answer 5

The first vote in the series was a 54-44 vote in the senate. No one was about to filibuster it. So it was going to pass no matter what. So what happened next is an expression of democracy. Everyone added an ammendment that sent money back home (pork). Thus you have what looks like a huge majority but in truth you have a 54-44 & 2 no votes. And a lot of I'm gonna get some too.

Answer 6

Too much information - tell the what & where not the everything. This sounds alot like President Bush with support of all the Congress declaring war. You have to follow Congress.

Answer 7

Both parties play the blame game and we help to keep the game alive . Every time a new rumor or accusation pops up we can't wait to keep the accusation going or to try and bury it depending on our party loyalty. Unfortunately this is not going to stop and I feel sorry for the next president because no matter how good he or she might be it will just be more of the same.

Answer 8

we didn't need to be in Somalia. Clinton misused the military and under supplied them while tying their hands. Humanitarian missions are not the role of the military.

Answer 9

The commanding officers asked for armorment to better defend our troops there and Clinton refused them. They asked for tanks and light armored vehicles. They were refused both.

Answer 10

Clinton expanded the mission to include the destruction of war lords. He then refused to give the greatest soldiers the world has ever known even minimal support. He sacrificed them because he was afraid to offend black Americans. That SOB was so worried about killing somebody with a little melanin in their skin that he allowed Al Qaeda sponsored terrorist to drag US Rangers through the streets of Mogadishu. I still feel rage about this so so many years later.

Answer 11

Cry me a River, Hello they all voted for the Iraq War , Bush told them it was going to be long and hard and still be going after he was gone. Ring any Bells , now its Bushes War and they don't want to fund the Troops . Gutless Cowards