What was the actual issue between Tevez, Mascherano and West Ham?

Question

What exactly were West Ham investigated for?
I know it was something to do with the transfer and registration of both players.

Answer 1

From what I understand, the Premier League investigation was about the issue of whether West Ham actually owned the registration of Tevez and Mascherano. A third party named Kia Joorborchian apparently owned the registration of the players initially. The Premier League found West ham guilty of basically lying about their initial registration and fined them over £5million. West Ham have since sorted out Tevez's registration and he is a Hammer through and through. I am a West Ham fan and I have to say that the Premier League have handled the whole situation terribly. However winning 7 out of the last 9, particularly against teams in the top 10 was no mean feat and we have earned the right to stay in the Premiership.

Answer 2

The signing of Mascherano and Tevez was investigated by the Premier League, who were concerned that details regarding the transfers had been omitted from official records. Also, whether or not the influence of MSI (led by Kia Joorabchian) breached Premier League rules regarding third party ownership of players (rules U.18 and B.13[3]) came into question. On April 27, 2007, West Ham were handed a record £5.5 million fine by the Premier League. The club did, however, avoid a points deduction. Liverpool's signing of Mascherano was not investigated, though popular media touted the idea that Tevez's registration may have been terminated by the FA.[4

Answer 3

Firstly, there has never been any question about Tevez´s registration and legibility to play.

The issue was with the contracts, ( a different kettle of fish from their registration with the FAPL.) The said contract, in Tevez´s case was because it contained a clause which effectively gave a third party influence over when said player could be transferred or played etc. It´is this clause, and not their legibility to play that has been at the core of this problem as this clause, as already stated could have,although didn´t, lead to obvious happenings.

The New board at West Ham pleaded guilty to an offence committed by the old having bought this matter to the FAPL´s attention.

There being no precedent for the docking of points in a case such as this, and taking all other facts into consideration, the independent panel. agreed to by all twenty members of the Premier League, fined West Ham £5.5m. A decision not palatable to a certain few.

The FAPL having been given proof that West Ham had informed the third party that the clause in the contract would not be honoured (due to it´s legibility i believe.) allowed Tevez to continue playing.

This can either be as clear as mud or daylight. But in a nutshell a decision was independently made and those struggling along with West Ham were looking for a cheap way out. The legibility of Tevez to play was never in question.

Added. Kingluke... The agreement was not against FIFA rules. This is a practice that goes on within the durasdiction of FIFA. This is an FAPL regulation. only.

Answer 4

Oddly the arrangement was within FIFA rules, but breached premiership rules. The big debate is about the third party interest. They were registered to play, and so the ineligable issue is a red herring being promoted by some ignorant press and vested interests. Legally, the FA (for once) got it right.

West Ham misled the Premier League to get the registration, but they had it, and so available sanctions are limited to the offence commited, and nothing to do with player eligibility.

Watch the fall out...A restrictive practice allowed Man U to prevent Everton playing Howard against them..

Chelsea have Alex playing under ver doubtful arrangeemnts for PSV, and he knocked Arsenal out of the Champs League (virtually single handed)

Answer 5

I agree with a lot of the above, particularly the WHU guys who are in the know.

Here are a couple of additional remarks for neutrals.

Kia J was very close to purchasing the club. He offered the 2 Argies to the club as a sweetner and proof that he could obtain some of the world's best players. He had the rights to other players, similar to Tev and Mas, particularly in South, a America. where, significantly, such deals are common place. So, to him, this was a straightforward deal.

Details about him begun to emerge after he bid for the club. He is part Iranian with a, seemingly, shady background. Talk was, of offshore accounts, previous convictions for fraud, and links with the Russian Mafia. The club recieved further bids to purchase the club from other consortiums. The board determined that the Magnusson deal was the one to accept. WHU were then left with the 2 Argies, probably to the end of the season, but with no prospect of the owner's offer succeeding. As a result he would almost certainly place them elsewhere at a big profit, say £25m.

Kia J did nothing wrong. It was the previous owners who lied and did not disclose the relevent documents to the Premier league. Generally, Tev and Mas were owned by a tp which was in breach of the rules.

The big 4 argue that WHU should have been docked points which would have relegated them. Can you imagine the arguements over how many points should be deducted and how it is arrived at should we ever reach that point.
Magnusson accepts WHU liable, but points out, that this was done by previous owners before he bought the club.
Alan Sugar had a similar type of scenario when he bought Spurs and they were docked points. He successfully sued, arguing that irregularities occurred before he bought the club
and as such was not liable.

Answer 6

West Ham had breached the premiership rules in the signings of Tevez aand Mascherano as there existed a third party agreement in his original contract.

West Ham had been fined 5.5 million pounds for this. But now Tevez has been cleared to play and West Ham was allowed to keep him till the end of the season.

Answer 7

Tevez hasn't unmarried exceeded saved West Ham up. eco-friendly has had some superb performances. Did you observe the Arsenal pastime? For a tender lad, Noble, yet another WHU academy participant, has been incredible. no longer me protecting that, Tevez. Reo Coker's ultimately come decrease back to very last season's type. Zamora's performed nicely and presented alot of Tevez's perfect artwork, i.e. the purpose at guy Utd as we talk. all of us else has upped their pastime because the hot 3 hundred and sixty 5 days.

Answer 8

As Mikey B says above , but the main point is that they were West Ham players , but as they were controlled by an outside factor they could have been influenced by others than the club , and this is the crucial point.

Answer 9

it was some weird shady deal...why tevez and mascherano wanted to go to west ham, who knows....i doubt they had much choice in the situation.

Answer 10

Another long story, not that I am against gay men but obviously the FA are... Well, this Argie bloke comes over here looking for some action in a footie stadium so he decides to approach West Ham...They for unknown reasons signed him up as a pro footballer within only a month of knowing him...Turns out that the argie and some West Ham geezer were getting it on together in the players changing rooms. This led from one thing to another but through all the gay extasy they forgot to tick a box saying he and some other gay geezer was international etc etc... Hence they played a few games they shouldnt have actually been involved in... To think this Argie never even played football in his life before this gay relationship and the other day he only went and scored the winner against Man Utd...Gordon bloody Bennet!