Is it a valid argument to suggest that homosexuality is unnatural because the "parts don't fit" so to speak?

Question

I'm pretty sure it's not a mental illness.

I'm not homophobic. I'm asking the question for the opposite reason, actually. I ask because a lot of anti-GLBT people tend to make the argument that because the parts don't anatomically fit that the activity is thus not natural.

I have two gay relatives that I care deeply for, and I'm heartbroken at all the prejudice that they have to endure. I guess what the homophobic people out there tend to argue is that because sexual pleasure is not the natural function of the anus, it's therefore unnatural. I'm personally divided on the issue, but I want to see what everyone else thinks

Answer 1

No people need to leave us alone

Answer 2

Yes, I DO think that it is a valid argument!

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say I think that it is a mental illness, but perhaps more of a psychological "disorder". It IS unnatural, because our anatomies were designed a certain way to fit the way nature INTENDED! It's just common sense. You put 2 vaginas together, and what do you get? Open space, with nothing to fill what's supposed to be filled! There's NOTHING THERE!!! Yeah, I guess they can get creative with their fingers, or even use artificial devices to fill that biological void, but that wouldn't really be the same, now would it?! And 2 penises? Well, that seems like it would be sort of like "fencing", only with flesh instead of swords! Unlike the lesbians, though, gay men DO have something to put in that hole. But the problem here is that the anus is meant for exits, NOT entrances!!!!

So when people go against nature's intent with our bodies, it only stands to reason that they are committing "unnatural" acts! Evidently, lots of people seem to like it that way, for some strange reason. Mystery to me!

Answer 3

Silly comment as far as I'm concerned. Got news for you, with some women there is a problem where the men don't fit in, so does that mean that being straight isn't right because the parts don't fit?
I've heard that line before, and I find it to be one of the sillier ones I've heard. There are other ways of getting pleasure than the standard way that women and men general get their pleasure. Also, as it is, men and women don't alway generally do it only in the missionary position. They do a lot of the same things that gay people do, so actually it's not a good reason to use for gay being wrong.
No, it's not a mental problem. Gay people are just born that way, there is nothing wrong with them. A lot of them try to be straight through a part of their lives but they just don't fit in and are unhappy until they finally come up and find out who they actually are.
As far as men and getting it up the rear, it's not exactly something that women don't do either to tell you. It can be quite great, so why should only men get that fun part of life. So, again, as I said, the hell with parts not fitting. Men. women, straights, they all basically do about the same things. Sex is sex and it is wonderful no matter who you do it with.
I'm sorry to hear that your relatives have a hard time. Luckily in my family nobody seems to care. We have a number of gay people in the family and they are accepted as they are.

Answer 4

The way your question is worded does put it off as a bit phobic, but I can understand the context of what you're asking.

While it's true that male+male, or female+female don't exactly "connect" as per normal human intercourse, many in the community have come to believe that being GLBT is not so much the physical aspect, but more the prospect of love of the same sex which people find so hard to understand. So many have called it "unnatural" just for that reason-they were raised to believe that true love could only occur between opposite genders, and therefore GLBT's go against the mold of one's perception of love and affection. It just takes some getting used to, and a lot of education to correct any inaccurate perceptions about GLBT's-heck, if my 85 year old grandma can come to terms with it, anyone can.

Answer 5

Of course it's not a mental illness. In fact, recent evidence suggests that homosexuality is a natural biological control for overpopulation--that is, the chances of birthing a gay child increase significantly when there are multiple children coming from the same parents. Also, it's been found that if a pair of parents has a gay kid, and then they have another kid, that second kid will be significantly more likely to 'turn out gay,' EVEN if that child is not raised with 'influence' from his/her older sibling (if they weren't living at home anymore, etc.).

It's a retarded argument. We do stuff all the time that's "unnatural." Anyone who uses that argument is a total hypocrite, ESPECIALLY if they're expressing this debauchery of logic ON A COMPUTER. That's forehead-smacking hypocrisy right there.

Answer 6

Homosexuality is definitely not a mental illness. There is a higher rate of depression among gay men and women but it is normally due to feelings of not being accepted by society and being rejected by many including family. A lot of gays consider their friends the only family they have.

It's perfectly natural to be gay! I tend to go along with the theory that homosexuality stems from developmental issues during pregnancy. I've been gay my whole life and consider it perfectly natural. If it were unnatural we wouldn't have such strategically placed prostate glands! So the parts fit perfectly fine!

It's really only "unnatural" because there is a societal expectation that a guy will grow up and partner with a girl and vice versa. The "unnatural" feeling of homosexuality stems from that societal expectation.

Answer 7

First - I apologize for rude comments from other gay people. Your question is valid and you worded it very well.

Second - In terms of procreation, a male/female relationship is clearly natural. However, having the ability to love is equally as natural. If one believes the theory that only male/females are supposed to be together sexually then it stands to reason that it wouldn't feel good in any other context... yet it does. It's my opinion that if you find someone to love and care for, it shouldn't matter what gender they are.

Religious norms dictate what's "natural" and what's not based on the most simplistic of views... such as, "only men and women should be together because the parts fit". It's nothing more than an ignorant and archaic belief system.

Obviously it isn't a mental health issue.

Keep loving your gay friends and help fight intolerance.

Answer 8

It is subjective the moment a person attributes meaning to anything. Nature has traits. Traits are traits. People make up what traits mean. The moment a process is purposed, it becomes biased in favor of an opinion.

So if by "valid" you mean unable to be debased, no, it is not valid. It is also an opinion of where it would need to fit, in order to be considered fitting.

Also, if something happens in nature it is natural. If by natural you mean "moral" you are conflating two things that are not the same thing. It would be considered a false analogy, which is turn makes it an error in logic.

Answer 9

This statement is false "because sexual pleasure is not the natural function of the anus, it's therefore unnatural." The male G-spot is just inside the anus, towards the front. Anal sex therefore feels good. If it didn't, gay men wouldn't do it, face it we don't do things that don't make us happy. We'd have oral sex instead.

Anyhow check this out http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y

Basically it says that there's more to sex than reproduction for higher level beings, and has social benefits.

Also women who have the "gay gene"(cannot be identified directly, so it's identified by number of gay relatives), are more fertile than women without. Enough to compensate for their children's lack of natural reproduction.

Answer 10

I don't think the "its against nature" argument works so well when we know there are some animals have been observed to be in a homosexual relationship. Maybe the "parts fit" for them who knows but it doesn't seem unnatural to some animals.

Answer 11

Actually, the parts do fit, no matter how you prefer to do it.
Anything that happens in nature is natural, and I don't know of anywhere in the physical world that isn't a part of nature. I guess that's why religious people say there will be no sex in heaven- it's part of the metaphysical (outside of nature) world.