I read a good letter on the local paper from a pub landlord - how he`s had the pub 30 years and how his old regulars cant believe that they could marry their mate they meet for a pint but cant have a ciggie with them.
What do you think ?
2007-05-09 11:03:01 · 27 answers · asked by shedevil 2 in Politics & Government ➔ Law & Ethics
Agreed. The government can't solve every problem through legislation, it only causes new problems. Business should decide for themselves what they will or won't allow in their establishments. Most Pub's are privately owned. How would you like it if the government told you that you could no longer drink a pint in your livingroom, because drinking alone is bad for you?
2007-05-09 11:08:44 · answer #1 · answered by Beardog 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
When smoking was almost universal, there were no-smoking compartments on trains etc. In 1964, 74% of the adult population smoked, and the proportion of non-smoking accommodation on trains was 25%.
23% of the population today are REGULAR smokers (note my emphasis), and I have carried out research in my local community that reveals that a further 15% like to have a cigar or two at the weekend in the pub.
23% of the population is a significant amount. Again, my researches have indicated that the proportion of the population that uses wet-trade only pubs (i.e. those pubs that do not sell food, other than crisps etc) and are regular or occasional smokers approaches 70% of current users.
Even if we work on the basis of 23% of the population, this is still a significant amount. Research outside of my own indicates that smokers are more likely to be drinkers of alcohol, AT HOME AS WELL AS IN PUBS, than non-smokers (again, note my emphasis).
Were I a publican running a wet-trade pub, I would be seriously concerned about the future. I would be faced with risking my existing trade with a conjectural trade - i.e. non-smokers will start to use pubs more frequently when smoking is banned.
There is no evidence for this conjecture. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that a majority of the English population object to smoking where smokers can be effectively segregated. This law, negating centuries of freedom, is being effected on the say so of health fascists and a few die-hard, dedicated, Calvinistic anti-smokers.
It is ridiculous to ban a practice that so far has been legal and accepted. It is possible to provide 2 bars in pubs - one smoking, one non-smoking. It is possible to provide smoking carriages on trains, and smoking areas in aircraft. It is even possible to meet health and safety provisions by not providing a service area in the smoking bars, so that the smokers have to order the beer from the non-smoking bar. This will protect the staff from passive smoking.
A lot of wet-trade pubs will go out of business, ergo a lot of people will stop socialising outside of their workplaces and homes. The social consequences of this could be far-reaching.
2007-05-09 11:32:24 · answer #2 · answered by ? 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The way the smoking ban is being handled is draconian and it is unbelievable that we have allowed it to happen in our country.
There has been a lot of talk by the tobacco police concerning the rights of non-smokers but no body is defending the rights of smokers.
No reason has been given why ventilated areas for smokers divorced from non-smoking areas could not have been set up, if not in place then fine no smoking allowed.
I am a none smoker myself who detests seeing a minority persecuted by a majority. People can reason and make there own choices, protect children by all means but don't let these 1984 type rules ruin our country.
2007-05-09 12:05:32 · answer #3 · answered by Web Foot 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
A person in jail is suing the government for compensation because there was no pool table to play on. Fanatical muslims get legal aid for all sorts of ridiculous things. It is all to do apparently with the Human Rights Act. What about my right to smoke? I am sure many bars and pubs will lose trade which will result in prices going up and staff being dismissed. What next? Only using your car every other day because of global warning. Surely there are far more important matters to concentrate on than this.
2007-05-09 12:06:56 · answer #4 · answered by david c 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'd never thought of it quite like that before, but that's a good point.....the real problem is that us smokers can't really occupy the moral high ground - we're stuck....
What really disturbs is the idea being mooted that people who refuse to give up smoking may have limited access to NHS treatment (self-inflicted harm, they call it)
Fine, if that's the way they want to go, so be it....so, does that mean that if anyone is injured in a road accident that was their own fault due to drink driving, that they won't get treatment...?
Sorry to go off subject a bit, but as a smoker, I'm feeling a wee bit victimised at the moment...lol
2007-05-09 21:42:56 · answer #5 · answered by Simon L 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I'm a smoker ( yeah boo hoo waa waaa ^ ughhh these non smokers become boring) but the reason I abandoned clubs/pubs is general interest based. I didnt enjoy socializing, I found it expensive to walk on a sticky floor with lots of intoxicated people falling around. Wasnt my idea of fun. Also, technology has come down in price greatly and so has communications apps. People dont need to trek out to their local anymore to meet interesting or like minded friends. I don't think the smoking thing is totally to blame. Also, a lot of these pubs have provided beer gardens or public areas with seating outside where you can smoke.
2016-03-19 02:24:30 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The owners should be the ones who decide. We have a amoking ban in effect now and it has already caused some bars to cut hours and staff. The anti smoking people said they would come out when it was put in effect but it is not happening
2007-05-09 11:18:04 · answer #7 · answered by mnwomen 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
its really silly the smoking ban, yes where food is,but not in a pub, they should half be for smoking and the other for non smokers, with real filters.then everyone would be happy, also they should stop the sell of booze that the main problems all the time, hope that helps, all the best.
2007-05-09 16:30:25 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I run a british legion and these guys fought the war for the little idiots who now decide that they cannot smoke who the heck are these people. If it was'nt 4 these men they would not be here to tell them what they should do. Some of these men live in care homes or places where they cant smoke. when they do get out to the club they like to do as they please surely they have earnt this ?
2007-05-09 11:16:22 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
The consideration of real human feelings and attitudes has never yet featured in the ponderances of politicians.
I stopped smoking last year. I know all the propaganda about it...but i still feel sorry for my former colleagues.
No one but a smoker can understand just how difficult it is...and the last thing you need is to be demonised by ignorant and self righteous morons.
We were conned into getting the habit by advertising....where are all those B****rds now!???????????
2007-05-09 11:10:32 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋