Should America and Europe copy China and become stronger through huge families and low wages?

Question

All this harping on about how China is becoming so powerful when in reality the only reason for high GDP is because of overpopulating the planet with a 1.3 billion populous and making them work in swaet shops for next to nothing. So should Europe and America be following this gleaming example of capitalist thinking from the few for the few. It seems capitalists require huge work forces to make more profit for them while forsaking the very people its supposed to be helping.

I know its a one child policy but what gave them a huge populous in the first place was over population and huge families, so by us copying this huge nations populous we too could boast huge GDP and relocation of factories to cheap labour economies, that being us if we gave our people next to nothing in wages. China being a super power is very far off the mark as having a cheap labour force and European and American comanies relocating jobs and factories to these places does not constitute power and influence, unless maybe doing deals with elitest capitalists and their one sided policy.

Answer 1

China has been run the same way for centuries.
I think that they are content minding their own business.
I think that is what the US should do also.

The present US administraion is a bad example of what our forefathers intended when they wrote the US constitution.

I think the cause of our difficulties is with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that was started in 1947. According to the Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency

There are 3 functions of the CIA:
"Its primary function is obtaining and analyzing information about foreign governments, corporations, and persons, and reporting such information to the branches of the government.

Its secondary function is propaganda or public relations, overt and covert information dissemination, both true and false, and influencing others to decide in favor of the U.S. government.

The third function of the CIA is as the hidden hand of the federal government, by engaging in covert operations. This is done at the direction of the President, and with oversight by Congress.[5] This last function has caused much controversy for the CIA, raising questions about the legality, morality, effectiveness, and intelligence of such operations."

What is "overt and covert information dissemination, both true and false" in the second function ? When was that added ?
Is that a political way of saying it is ok to interfere with other governments even if you have to lie to do it ?
The entire third function should be done away with. That's why there isn't any peace in Iraq. The Al-CIAda.

The "George Bush Intelligence Center" is out of control and should be dismantled.

President Woodrow Wilson gave a speech before Congress 10 months before World War I ended. The "speech served as both the basis for peace and the hopeful establishment of a better post-war world at the conclusion of "the culminating and final war for human liberty."
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/wilson-points.htm

The 1st point of the speech is as follows
"Open covenants of peace must be arrived at, after which there will surely be no private international action or rulings of any kind, but diplomacy shall proceed always frankly and in the public view."

Please note "OPEN" & "IN PUBLIC VIEW" needless to say the communications back then weren't very good.

After World War II they tried to establish a lasting peace with a organization called the United Nations. http://www.un.org/english/

The history of the UN includes the following:
"In 1945, representatives of 50 countries met in San Francisco at the United Nations Conference on International Organization to draw up the United Nations Charter. Those delegates deliberated on the basis of proposals worked out by the representatives of China, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States at Dumbarton Oaks, United States, in August-October 1944. The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries. Poland, which was not represented at the Conference, signed it later and became one of the original 51 member states."

The Charter of the United Nations can be read at
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/index.html

I have copied some of the PREAMBLE below:

" to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,
to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and
to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and
to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and
to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

I didn't see anything in there that says that we can have the CIA going into other countries doing covert operations to stir up trouble for other governments.

If you actually think about it, the United States of America hasn't been a very good member of the United Nations and by meddling in the governments of other countries aren't very good neighbors either.

Am I just naive in wanting a world where there is peace and human rights?
We could be working on alternative sources of energy and happy.

Answer 2

China has a huge population, and America or Europe would have to greatly increase thier fertility rates or immigration, or both, to match it. That's probably not desireable, since both America and Europe place a lot of emphasis on individual rights and individual quality of life.

Though the tremendous suply of labor in China is partial responsible for it being relatively 'cheap' there, another significant reason is that the unit of currency, the yaun, is undervalued relative to currencies like the dollar or euro. This is an intentional policy of the Chinese government to boost foreign investment and trade, and forces them to hold huge reserves of foriegn currencies. It's an economic distortion that can't be maintained indefinitely.

Answer 3

There is a process called international arbitrage which means that under free trade, money will flow from high cost environments to low-cost ones until equilibrium is established, at which point the low cost environment is no longer cheaper. China is the last, vast source of cheap labour to produce material goods at the lowest price. First there were Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea, all had their turn, before massive earnings led to increased standards of living and progressively less competitive advantage based on cheap labour. It will take a generation of free trade capitalism to lift China to an average per capita income comparable to say, Japan, but it will happen.
China is nominally Communist, but their leaders have learnt through 70 years of painful experiment that socialism does not work to improve the lot of the poor. Unpopular, derided, "selfish" Capitalism does work. If you want to copy anything in China, copy their commitment to capitalism, which is what is making them rich.

Answer 4

China has a one child policy for several decades now - they've gotten so large because they've been civilized for so long in an area with relative peace and calm, notwithstanding the various 'killing periods' that did away with millions or tens of thousands at a time in order to teach a lesson to everyone left.

Answer 5

Already have, American Rednecks are willing to slave for thier WALMART masters. In China, WALMART and McDonalds are UNION. Fact is most Americans couldn't afford a nice house on the Mexican side of the border.
The US economy is totally on the coasts.

Answer 6

well, the US and europe have already done that during the industrial revolution. China is only catching up.

US and europe have produced enough pollution, etc. And people in the US are getting used to high wages, it is unlikely that they will go back to lower wages ever again.

sooner or later, China will have to export its production oversea for cheaper labor when its population began to decrease.

Answer 7

Large families? If you want to copy China you have to pass a one child per family law and have forced abortions for those who break it.

Answer 8

CHINA? huge families?? do your home work man before you post here, China has a one child law.

Answer 9

I hope you know that in china you are only allowed to have 1 child.

Answer 10

No it is a horrible thing to do that. America is the best country ever and china doesn't even compare a bit.