do y'all think that kobe is just an MJ wannabe??

Question

well as y'all c he's copying mj's infamous fade away shot

Answer 1

hell yeah

Answer 2

Hey Mike,

i think first of all it is not Kobe that is comparing himself to MJ, it's everyone else. It is quite a compiment to Kobe's abilities.

i think players of Kobe and MJ's magnitude measure everything by rings. So at the end of Kobe's career really the difference between the two will be separated by how many more rings Kobe can win.

Its like comparing Bird and Magic. At the end of the day Magic won because he had more rings. While MJ and Kobe would never get to go head-to-head (there was a couple of matches but Kobe was not quite in his prime yet and MJ was getting near the end of his first retirement). But both clubs had Phil Jackson too- so you really wouldn't know what would have happened if Kobe's Lakers had played MJ's Bulls.

But players of their pedigree care only about winning championship rings- and at the end of Kobe's career if he can win 6 rings- there will be a lot of comparisons. If Kobe does not win another ring- as much as i love his skills- Mike's got it hands down.

Kobe's fade away is a lot different from M.J.'s as well. I don't see Kobe imitating MJ but i do see him trying to add something to his game every year and a fade away for a 2 guard is very natural thing to add.

Nickster

Answer 3

yeah, Kobe is the Ultimate Carbon copy. Nothing Original about him. His post game interviews is where he shows he can never be considered the greatest. Mike was a killer on the court and a great interview afterwards. Kobe always sounds like a whinny step child. Not classy at all! he can copy the game but he can never copy the fame.

Answer 4

Yes. If you watch him, he tries to chew his gum like Mike. He also tries to walk like him, throw up hand signals like him, and tries to strut back down court on made baskets like Jordan. I'll explain why he's truly a wannabe in the last paragraph.

Their games are actually different though. Kobe is more of a true perimeter/jump-shooting guard, while Jordan attacked the basket like that of a power forward, and opened up his outside game with his inside game.

Also note that Jordan didn't start fading away consistently until after 30 yrs of age. Kobe was fading away at 19. A big reason is b/c Kobe has small hands. Jordan has the hands of a 7 footer, which gave him more ball control.

Kobe's stats aren't even within shouting distance of Jordan's. Plus when Kobe was compared to Jordan at 21 or 22, he wasn't even drawing consistent double teams. You can't compare a player to Jordan who doesn't draw consistent double teams. It was Shaq that was making the players around him better on that team. Now that Kobe is the focal point (since Shaq left) he's 112-111 as a starter. If you count the playoffs he's 116-119 in the last 3 yrs. There are no players on the Lakers team with rising stock in the free agent market, including Kobe. Also note that statistically Kobe's best yr was not any of the last 3 seasons. His best yr statistically was the '02-'03 season... again, when he wasn't drawing consistent double teams. Kobe's game isn't nearly as effecient as ppl think.

I have no idea why ppl still compare him to Jordan. A scoring title doesn't mean that you're the next Jordan. Otherwise, we would have to consider McGrady or Iverson as Jordan like. Kobe has never even come close to shooting 50% for one season. Jordan's CAREER FG% was .497. Plus Jordan averaged over 2 steals per game 10 times. Kobe has only done it once (1). Jordan also posted a 2 to 1 Assist to TO Ratio 7 times in his career. Kobe has never posted 2 Asts for every 1 TO in his entire 10 yr NBA career.

A lot of the reason that Kobe is compared to him is b/c of the market that he plays in. If Kobe were playing in Milwaukee we would not be hearing these comparisons. If he hasn't learned how to make the players around him better in 10 NBA seasons, it's not going to happen... And here's the question for Kobe fans. What are Kobe fans gonna' say when he doesn't get out of the first round of the playoffs next season?



***Alpha Wolf, you just described Doug Collins and his remark about Jordan.. Well dude, Jordan was in his early 20's when that happened. Kobe is currently doing that at almost 29 yrs old. So what's your point about that?

And stop bringing up Scottie Pippen. You're the only person who ever brings up Pippen in a debate. If he's so good why couldn't he get Rasheed, Barkley, and Olojuwon rings? In fact, if he's so good why couldn't he even get those players to the NBA Finals???? By the way, Pippen never played in any NBA finals without Jordan, and he went on to play with current, or future Hall of Famers on multiple teams... hmmmmmm

And finally Alpha Wolf, you are debating about a guy who has done nothing on the team level in 3 yrs time, in his 8th 9th and 10th seasons, in the prime of his career. I'm sorry but just making the playoffs in the NBA is not a big deal. 16 out of 30 teams make it. You can finish in the bottom half of the league and make the playoffs. You can get excited all you want about a 7 seed in back to back seasons. And you can get excited all that you want about this yr's elimination in 5 games. By the way, Kobe was horrendous in that series. He only averaged 1 steal per game, less than half a block per game, and had exactly the same amount of Turnovers as he had Assists.

Answer 5

What does "MJ awannabe" even mean?

Being compared to Jordan is props enough.

Answer 6

Oh and I guess peja,radmanovic, and Jason Kapono copied larry bird for being great three point shooters ?

Answer 7

every star players is a mj wanna be, get off his nuts.

Answer 8

If the shot works..why not use it?

Answer 9

Huh?...Is MJ a Dr. J wannabe???....he copied Dr.J's moves!
and Dr. J copied the great player's before him!...it's an endless cycle!...anyways......

Kobe at 28 vs MJ at 28
Kobe NBA champion 3..........MJ 1
Kobe All defensive 6..........MJ 4.
Kobe 2nd highest pts 81........MJ 63
Kobe youngest allstar ever!!!!!!!!
Kobe allstar games 11.......MJ 7
Kobe MVP allstar game 2.....MJ 1
Kobe playoff games 126...MJ 35
Kobe youngest to score just about every mark...MJ 0
Kobe Most 3pointers in a game 12(record)...MJ..7
Kobe all NBA selection...9........MJ...5
Kobe cheated on wife 1...........MJ 1....wow! something there even in!!!!

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ugly tony??? your baseing your argument on MJ made his teamates better???.... remember MJ never had a winning season without another HOFamer next to him!....

Doug Collins tried to put Jordan at the point guard in 1989. The idea was that Jordan was such a tremendous penetrator, that he could break down a defense and hit the open man or score. Jordan responded with 11 triple doubles in his first 13 games. However, he was often found going to the scorers' table to check to see how many rebounds or assists he needed to get a triple-double. He played for stats. Doug Collins later said, "Do you know who's the biggest obstacle to us running? Michael Jordan, that's who. He won't let go of the ball."

This selfishness resulted in players standing around and watching Jordan, or Jordan not passing to the open guy with the best shot. Without Jordan, the teams flowed into their offense and found the open man. That is why they consistently shoot better when Jordan doesn't play. Jordan simply does not make his teammates better.

Furthermore, Name one player whose career was enhanced by Jordan. I never received a serious challenge. Let’s look at some of the candidates.


Scottie Pippen – The press love to sing long songs about Jordan made Pippen. However, their songs are missing a few verses. For example. Why did Pippen have his finest seasons without Jordan? In 1994, Pippen averaged 22 ppg, 8.7 rpg, and 5.6 apg. In 1995, Pippen became only the second player in history (Dave Cowens was the first) to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. How could he do this without Jordan to make him better?
Furthermore, when deciding to retire, Jordan said over and over that he would not play without Pippen. While recovering from foot
surgery in December of 1997, Pippen said that he was not going to play with the Bulls when he was fully recovered. Jordan said that if he had known this, he would not have come back. Why? If Jordan makes everyone so much better, why not fill in Scott Burrell into Pippen’s position (or Toni Kukoc, for that matter), and make another Pippen? Answer: Jordan didn’t make Pippen. Pippen made Pippen. Without Jordan, he is still the dominating defensive player, and he continues to be a complete player.
The typical Jordan fan will respond with "how many championships did Pippen win without Jordan?" The answer is zero. Likewise, how many championships did Jordan win without Pippen? Zero. Comparing these two players apart from each is very unfavorable for Jordan. Pippen had a better career record and a better post-season record than Jordan. Pippen's only losing season was his final year in the NBA, when he missed much of the season due to injury and was in a veteran leadership role for the young re-building Bulls. That was the only time in Pippen's career he had a losing record and the only time he missed the playoffs. Jordan played 5 seasons without Pippen. Out of those 5 seasons, he posted 5 losing records, missed the playoffs twice, and was 1-9 in the playoffs.

Think about it: Jordan never had a winning record apart from Pippen. Pippen played on many playoff teams in Portland and Houston without Jordan.

It makes you wonder who made who a better ball player, or at least who was the most valuable player to the win-loss column.





Dennis Rodman – Rodman had established himself LONG before playing with Jordan. His defensive reputation was made in Detroit, where he was voted the Defensive Player of the Year in 1990 and 91. His rebounding ability was established in Detroit, also, where he won the first of his seven consecutive rebounding titles (4 without Jordan), and his reputation as a winner was established in Detroit, where he won two titles – both times defeating Jordan’s Bulls. "Rodman established his rebounding and winning ways in Detroit, when he beat Jordan twice on the way to the championship."




"If 7 points and 5 rebounds per game is your shining example ofJordan making someone better, than Jordan sucked at improving those around him." Luc Longley – Put simply, Longley was a bad player before he joined the Bulls. He was a bad player when he played with the Bulls, and he was a bad player after he left the Bulls. Nobody has questioned Jason Kidd’s ability to improve his teammates, and even he hasn’t been able to coax out respectable play from Longley. If seven points and 5 rebounds is what you want out of your center, then Longley is your man, but you don’t need Jordan to get this out of him.
If 7 points and 5 rebounds per game is your shining example of Jordan making someone better, than Jordan sucked at improving those around him. He improved Longley from a laughable joke to a mildly amusing joke. Wow!




John Paxson – This is the guy that most Jordan fans bring up. Paxson was on the perfect team in Chicago (perhaps the only team he could get significant minutes with), but his career blossomed because of Scottie Pippen, not Jordan. Let me explain:
Jordan could not play well with classic "drive-and-dish" style points. He disliked playing with Sam Vincent and Steve Colter for this very reason. The reason why was because they were in the lane too much, and Jordan wanted to be the one to drive to the basket. The logical choice would be to have Jordan play the point guard and have a spot-up shooter in the shooting guard slot. However, according to Phil Jackson, Jordan lacked the passing skills to play the point guard and he hogged the ball too much. No one really doubts Jackson's knowledge of the game.
"Jordan lacked the skills to play point guard and didn't like playing with guards who played the classic point guard role. That means in order for Jordan to play with a spot-up shooter, one of the forwards would have to play the point. Guess who that was?"

Because Jordan cannot co-exist with a typical point guard and can't play it himself, that means somebody else has to bring up the ball and be the point man. Guess who that was? Scottie Pippen. Pippen was a rare breed in that he was a forward who could handle point duties. That short list consists of Larry Bird, Paul Pressey, Grant Hill, and Pippen. In his book "Sacred Hoops", Jackson lauds Pippen for his ability to run the offense and figure out who is hot and cold and how many shots a player needs and how frequently to stay in his rhythm. These were things that Jordan could not do, because he only cared about his own shots.

Because Pippen could play the point, that allowed Paxson to play alongside of Jordan, even though he lacked all point guard skills. This means that Jordan did not make Paxson a better player. Pippen did. If not for Pippen, Paxson couldn't have cracked the line-up.

Just incase you doubt me, and you think you know more than Phil Jackson, ask yourself: how come Chicago with Jordan was the only team at that time NOT to have a point guard? Think about it. When Jordan retired, B.J. Armstrong played a classic point guard role and made his only all-star appearance. When Jordan came back from retirement, the Bulls let Armstrong go in the expansion draft and replaced him with Ron Harper, another 2-guard. Who else teamed up with Jordan in the back court? Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Randy Brown, and Jud Buechler. None of these guys could be confused with a point guard.



Steve Kerr – See John Paxson. This is the exact same case, as Kerr was a Paxson-clone. In 1993, the year before Jordan retired, Kerr was the 12th man on draft lottery-bound Orlando. The next year, he joined the Jordan-less Bulls and had his finest season ever. How could he do this if Jordan made him better?
Furthermore, Kerr had established himself as one the top 3 point shooter in history and set a record for best 3 point shooting percentage (from 23'9") in a season (1989-90). Considering this, and how he filled in for Mark Price when Price was injured in Cleveland, I ask: what did Jordan do differently for his career? Kerr's game was exactly the same before he joined Chicago. When he joined Chicago, he had his best year, while Jordan was playing baseball,
"Like Paxson, Kerr blossomed because of Pippen's ability to play the point, allowing the Bulls to play 2 non-point guards. That is why Kerr had his finest seasons in Chicago when Jordan was playing baseball."

and like Paxson, Kerr got more minutes because of Pippen's ability to play the point role, since Kerr was not a true point guard.



Washington Wizards – Then, there are the Wizards... if Jordan made those around him better, why couldn't he do this with Larry Hughes, Jerry Stackhouse, and ESPECIALLY Kwame Brown? You should know the answer by now

Comparing Kobe at 28 vs MJ at 28 is not favorable to MJ!..

and at 21 Kobe was winning Chips..and MJ was getting beat in the sweet sixteen even though his team had 4 NBA! players on it!...he only makes himself better!...Without Worthy he would never won a NCAA Title..and without Pip...well you KNOW!...to easy!