Considering that males are predominant in philosophy, engineering, the Olympics, etc...?

Question

Why do I constantly see females saying that males are "simple" and only care about "women, beer, cars, sports, etc.?"

It is pretty obvious that most philosophies (which are, by definition, based upon the understanding of REALITY, which is quite a complex subject) were developed by males, that most forms of science and engineering were developed by males, that most architectural projects have been designed (and built) by males, that most scholarly writings were written by males, that most of the conveniences we have today were created by males, that most of the people who joined a militia to protect their wives, daughters, sons, mothers, and other family members were men...

WHY is it that "some" women STILL want to degrade the male figure, believing males to be "simple" or "immoral" and hold females on a seemingly exclusive pedestal of "complexity" and morality?

(Please note that this is not some sort of commentary asserting that males are the best of our species, that males are superior, or some other garbage like that- I'm merely stating that males have certainly done a lot of complex & noteworthy things, meaning that they certainly don't deserve to be derided with stereotypes like the ones I listed above.)

A few people missed the point of the question.

I am asking why people say that males are somehow "more" immoral and "less" complex than women are.

I'm not bragging about the accomplishments of males or something- I'm just pointing out that men have done a LOT more than drink beer or think about sex.

The evidence for this eliminates any other such hypothesis.

Answer 1

Some women make that generalization, yes. And some men make the generalization that all women want to spend all their money at the mall and trap men into getting married (there is even a radio show with a guy who believes this called the Tom Lykus Show, spelling may be wrong).

Neither of those stereotypes is true. All stereotypes are based on huge generalities. And this has nothing to do with the fact that there are more notable men inmost fields (philosophy, engineering, etc). This really has to do with societal expectations of women.

Until about 30-40 years ago, it was socially unnacceptable for a woman to have a career that didn't involve being a secretary or selling makeup door to door. If few women designed architectural projects, it was because they a) couldn't get in to architecture school, b)got a degree in architecture, but could only get a job as a secretary for an architect, or c) were fired upon getting married or getting pregnant. The historical imbalance of male vs. female accomplishments has nothing to do with innate abilities. We are more alike than different.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

It is much easier to generalize things. Most humans, both male and female, don't really want to take the time to look at things "in depth." Everywhere, I see books with titles similar to "How to Understand the (Fe)Male Mind" or "How to See the Signs" or whatever the heck is selling nowadays. In these books, they offer "rules" on dating and relationships. As if you can define roughly half of the human population under a set of rules and signs. Well, this generalization is where stereotypes come from. These stereotypes have been in existance since the dawn of time. Television only helps to spread these stereotypes. Do you really want to describe an entire gender/race/other demographic group by utilizing every single characteristic possible in that kind of person? Hell no! You just want to put a basic label on that group, the basic rule. Later on, if you want to go further in depth, you can put exceptions to the aforementioned rule. Women want to be able to "understand" men, so to speak. Sure, later on, they might find a man who defies almost everything they believed about men. But until then, isn't it comforting to PRETEND that you have some idea, some knowledge about that mysterious other gender? It would be painful and confusing to go out into the world with absolutely no idea of what you have to face. Men do this, too. They want to say that all women whine and nag and care too much about shoes. Then they can pretend to sympathize with a friend who is in that situation. They want to be able to say, "Yeah, my wife nags all the time, too." It is not nice to speak good of your spouse/girlfriend when your friend is "suffering." Also, it's good for laughs. Stand-up comedians use stereotypes as a common ground, so that people understand the joke and laugh. So...can't you just roll your eyes and laugh, too? Come on...you can't assume that these women are serious, can you? We KNOW that there are good, honest men, just like there are good, honest women. But...we need to be able to make men understandable to us. I don't want to live in fear of some guy just because he's a big shot scientist. I want him to be HUMAN, with his own faults. So don't be hypocritical and scold us. Even if YOU don't use stereotypes when speaking of women, that doesn't mean that all the other men are like you.

Answer 4

Are we back to the all or nothing line of thinking again? Can't you tell the difference between the average man, who is indeed average including a woman's problems with her very average man, and some random famous guy who accomplished some great thing? And how does the fact that most women have average guys and average problems translate to all women being average and no woman inventing or accomplishing anything? And how does a woman with average guy problems equate to degrading the male figure? If a male's figure is degraded he did it being a couch potato. And yes I'll say that about women. Ok. If you mean figuratively, same difference. And I believe it's the man, ignoring women's intelligence and individuality that holds her up on a pedastal. In fact, I've only ever heard antifeminists talk about pedestals. We just can't stand up there forever. And yes, we have plenty of inventions and achievements which, had all things and people been equal, we would have been acknowledged for and been included in history about. That's why we have women's studies. To talk about that stuff. Yet it's filled with men challenging our right and need to learn about what women have done and can do.
Ok and militias are against the rules. Doesn't matter what it says on paper and women don't tend to support war except in self defence. Many men don't as well. So your argument, though eloquent and loquacious don't hold up.

Answer 5

because "some" people will always stereotype. i don't, mostly because i know that i personally don't fit into a stereotype (esp this one, considering i'm a female engineer & about to start school for my masters in architecture)

i've had to deal with the stereotypes of my gender (as have all women). i guess men are also dealing with their own gender's stereotypes now, as well. it's just too bad that men have been pulled "down" for women to acheive equality, when the goal was for women to be raised "up" to be on an equal playing field as men.

Answer 6

I believe men and women are supposed to compliment each other. Instead there is too much sexism and competition on both sides to be the "better, smarter and more mature sex". Women feeling like they need to act like a man to be equal to a man? Or men who feel they have to become a woman just because they have feminine characteristics? NONESENSE! Need to stop doing that and start working toward how we can respect with one another and work together as equals that are two parts to a whole. People also need to have more respect for themselves and their own gender. This needs to start from childhood.

Answer 7

well the men have created everything because they were always in charge and women were not allowed to do anything. the only thing i think men are superior in is physical strength.

Answer 8

Yes, it is annoying and untrue, not to mention that essentialism is utterly ridiculous. Though I must disagree that only women say these things - there are plenty of men who do as well.

Answer 9

I believe those that do this are just being attracted to the wrong type of guys. They experience these guys and get hurt, dumped, abused, or just used and ignored. Now they make this claim that all guys are like that so they can take the blame off of themselves for having picked the wrong ones.

This can go for things other than personal relationships.

It's generally so they can feel better about themselves.

Yes, it is bad.

Answer 10

I don't know too many guys who are Olympians,Philosophers, or Engineers.
I also don't know too many women who are Feminazis, Ball busters, or Bull Dyke Lesbians.
Opposite ends of the stereotype spectrum,eh?
If people could just grant each other the freedom to be fallible human beings and STOP perpetuating stereotypes,
these questions wouldn't be necessary.
Maybe you could put some effort into convincing your Brothers to stop posting ridiculous, Trollish questions,too.
It wouldn't be much, but it would be a start, Robinson.
Good luck