If majority of straight men r really hetero how come all male-dominate societies celebrate male-male sex & ...

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have injunctions against male-female sex?

If majority of men are exclusively or primarily heterosexual then how come whenever the male spaces are strong and the society is male dominated, they have strong injuncitons against male-female sex (except what is necessary to force men into marriage and reproduction)..........

......and male to male sex (except of the transgendered and exclusively receptive variety) is accepted ----- even expected within the folds of 'straight' (i.e mainstream, manly stuff) identity, as a universal male quality?

Whether you look at the ancient Greeks or ancient tribes like the Samoans or the contemporary non-westernised, non-heterosexualised societies like India, Afghanistan, China, middle east, etc...........

One would expect the male domianted societies to be fiercely heterosexual and equally fiercely hostile to male-to-male sex.

And equally importantly how come the only heterosexual societies ----- where male-female sex or love outside of marriage is allowed or enouraged or expected happen to be where women dominate, and men are more and more isolated, broken from each other and disempowered.

I.e. in these societies men's spaces become very weak.

There are no examples of such societies in history of humankind. Nor in nature amongst mammals.

Doesn't it prove that heterosexualtiy is UNNATURAl and is made possible only by artificial pressures and social mechanisms/ conditioning.

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MY REPLIES TO THE ANSWERS

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MiD,

Perhaps my use of the word male-dominated is wrong here. I don't condone a society where women are ruled over and dominated by men.

But if you put women and men together in the same social space, under natural circumstances men will dominate. Men and women are just not meant to stay in the same social space and that is why I say heterosexuaity is unnatural. You don't find it anywhere in mammalian societies. The only time when heterosexual spaces occur is when females same-sex bonds become week and their space is controlled by a couple of males as harems.

My emphasis here is on the fact that when men have their say they choose men-men bonds over male-female sexual bonds.

Also, its wrong to use the word 'homosexuality' for man to man sexual bonds which are mainstream (even if underground) because 'homosexuality' denotes marginalised, feminised and denigrated male to male sexuality.

frankovi…

why is it that people who post wilfully misleading or biased stuff never allow people to IM or email them?

The western society has brainwashed people's mind so much that they think without a heterosexual identity people can't reproduce. Like in the mammals, you just have to have a quickie once or twice in your life in order to reproduce. No big deal there. You don't need an entire, constant and exclusive heterosexual identity. Would nature do something that is so redandant? You're right it wouldn't and it doesn't.

There are quite enough evidences of same-sex sexual bonds in mammals, where it is mostly the primary male sexuality. E.g. in Giraffes it accounts for 93-94% of all sexual acts. And the only pairing is between two males or two females, never a male and a female.

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Prison is a controlled situation where men do not have any choice. But when men dominate and control the society why would they define social spaces and sexual mores in such a way that go against their core 'so-claimed' heteroseuxal nature?

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Homosexual is an abuse for me, but yes I do believe in a strong sexual bond with another male. Homosexuality represents marginalised, femininsed and denigrated male to male sexuality.

You seem like someone who has desparate motives to not let the truth about male gender and sexuality be known to people.

Reference for injunctions against male to male sexuality:
1) Did you hear about the latest furore over Gere kissing Shikpa Shetty?

2) Love marriages are still a taboo in non-westernised India.

3) The Samoan tribe and several such tribes in Papa New Guniea don't allow sex with male and female except in certain limited days in the entire year, which is only meant for reproduction. Men who seek more sex with women are considered Queer and women who seek sex with men beyond procreation are considered Withces out to rob men of their manhood. Sex between men thrives in their society.

Would you care for more such examples I could go on and on!

Answer 1

First of all don't project your own issues onto us. Its a shame that homosexual, in and of itself, is still an insult in your culture, but thats not our problem. Queer people, which includes gay men regardless of whether they are masculine, effiminate, androgynous, top, bottom, or versatile, are marginalized and sterotyped in many places in our country, but the US and other western countires have a history of marginalized minorities organizing and fighting for equal rights, thats not something we consider degrading.

Secondly, here at least, straight is a synonym for heterosexual, not an identity that heterosexuality is supposedly charactaristic of. So from our point of view that makes your question, as a whole, logically inconsistant and impossible to answer.

Thirdly this forum is for questions, if you already know the answer to your own "question", then wait for someone else to ask and you can answer them.

Answer 2

I totally agree with your argument right up to the last paragraph.

Here's something else I've read. In Japan, there's apparently a lower rate of transsexuality than in Australia because they feel comfortable performing tea ceremonies. However, I don't think that's the reason.

It's true that genders tend to separate into homosexual groups for gender wars, and males do dominate so I don't know why the lesbians keep trying. I think that gays are very optimistic with short memories.

I think that socially enforced heterosexuality is a tenuous thing. It really requires prayer.

I don't see where your argument about male dominated societies leads to the argument that heterosexuality is unnatural. Are you saying that male dominated societies are normal, because it doesn't work the other way?

People with Obsessive Compulsive Disorders are superstitious. They like to tap on furniture to their lucky number before making a decision. The compulsions reinforce themselves. The sympathetic division in the body sends blood from the gut region to the arms and legs, and responds quickly to threat. Unfortunately, some people seem to treat other people as furniture.

On the other hand, the parasympathetic division looks after the "rest and digest" functions, including sexual arousal. Unless you are married, I can only think that you would need to be in a state of hypnotism to achieve sexual arousal. This means that there is a hypnotist, whether it's yourself, as in autogenic training, or somebody else, or society in general. According to Robert Baker, hypnosis can be socially induced by means of relaxation, compliance and suggestion. The symptoms are: fluttery eyelids, watery eyes, stomach noises, heaviness and lightness at the same time, feeling stuck to the chair or floor, time distortion (time goes slowly then seems to have taken no time at all after the session is finished), loss of feeling in arms and legs. This is like a panic attack or flirting.

The combinations of these two states contributes to homosexual panic, I think, in terms of the "morality" of being under the influence of somebody else. I think that the male domination comes about because they're too embarrassed to let anything slip.

Answer 3

It doesn't make sense. Heterosexuality can not be unnatural because it is the only way we humans can possibly reproduce. Reproduction is survival and survival is instinct.
Homosexuality is a product of man's ability to be selfconscious. Animals do not have that capacity, and therefore may form strong bonds with another animal of the same sex, but they do not have sex. This proves that there are no homosexual animals at all. Therefore homosexuality is a product of man.

Why would you expect a male dominated society to be fiercly heterosexual? Just look at prisons.

It seems like you maybe a homosexual yourself, and rather than accept that you're different, you're trying to drag the entire male race down with you.

ps- Could you please give a reference as to when there was EVER an injuction against male-female sex? I don't believe you.

Answer 4

You were so wordy, I got lost! Sorry about that.

Answer 5

huh?...........