Does god exist within spacetime?

Question

Space-time is a function of the universe and thus, for god to exist within time he/she/it was created with the universe and thus he/she/it is not the creator. If god does not exist within a temporal universe god cannot be said to exist, as existence requires temporality, for nothing exist outside of space-time.

existence requires an observer, an observer requires existence

Answer 1

He exists above and beyond spacetime.

Answer 2

Wrong. We have no way of knowing what exists outside our universe as all our physical laws only have meaning within our universe. We cannot predict anything outside as we have no terms of reference. We cannot even predict states within singularities.

A divine being who created the universe would be outside time and not controlled by temporal concepts like creation and progress. Remember God said 'I am the great I AM', not WAS or WILL BE but AM. He would just be, a hard concept to grasp as we can only understand things within the temporal framework within which we exist. We cannot state nothing exists outside the time-space framework of our universe. In all likelihood it does. And this is why. When the big bang occurred the universe was created and the time space continuum started, the time clock started running. Before the big bang time and space did not exist but the singularity, or other conditions, which caused the big bang were there. Therefore, matter did exist outside the space-time continuum.

If you have proof nothing exists outside our universe I believe you should publish.

Answer 3

Science rules are limited by science-laws, and one major foundational rule of science says that matter and energy cannot come from 'nothing', but at most can only be converted from one form to another. The start and development of the universe is proof that there was and is an "all-that-is", an all-encompassing power from which the universe came about. God existed before the universe, and is beyond temporal things, and beyond human ability to understand, and beyond the human ego which tries to deny the existence of God. We are ALL children of God, and like children, some close their eyes and minds and declare their denial. Denial of anything is not proof of non-existence of it though. Thanks for your time, and for the space for this answer.

Answer 4

Your clever question denies the existance of god. Yeap! baed on that he do es not exist.

Interestingly, on the other side of the ring you find those answers saying HE EXIST BECAUSE I SAY SO OR I BELIEVE SO.

Humans are not 100% logic nor 100% feelings. This is a fact. So a discussion on this subjects would have not just white or black but a large content of grays.

History proofs show that the most powerfull/violent argumenters or team will win temporaly the discussion, no matter who is right. two history blocks ahead, the other site may win for another period of time, and so on.

See for example this black, gray and white situation:

On Hitler time, there was not space for gods to be. On crusade time non Christ believers were killed and attacked on the name of a god, but on ancient times the sun and the thunder were gods.

God believers would say their god has an infinite capability of bending time/space and use it at will. But on reality, each time has its own moment, and if someone says to you that god is a thunder or the sun.. you would simple laugh... thats was old homo semisapiens would say of you tell them that there was only one god named X or Y.

What you can not affirm for sure, from the other side of the ring perspective, is that nothing exist outside of space-time, since this would be equivalent to accept that there are no things without Time+Space:

Dimensions numbers are pretty unknown at this time. We are in the infancy of the future that would be also past. So assigning Time+Apace values to all is also a nonsense.

ChroneJobber

Answer 5

If you try to melt copper in a vessel that its self is made of copper then that would not be possible, you will melt it all into a jumbled lump. Our grasp of reality limited, for we see things only with the help of things we have already seen - when, for example, we see ice we know that it is in fact water at a sub-zero temperature. We see all things in space and time most vividly and then we try to imagine all that we can in the same context.

Our dreams, for example, are often strange in terms of the laws of our physical world. We often travel both in time and space to visit places far back into the past. Then there are our ideas and thoughts. They do not need space to exist. They do, however, need to make sense to us. The fact is that we have rational ideas is not the fact in all that can be real in an entirely different context. Our thoughts are rational because they make sense to us in this world of space and time. What is the reality of our ideas and thing, and that of all the things is this world we might never know.

The concept of God is not only the supreme in human mind it is also the most intimate and in my view natural to human beings. This is where people often make mistake; they think God is great, but they do not realise how close He is. The concept that is the embodiment of all that is there in terms of characterises and qualities of all things I existence is the concept of an absolute mind. If I light a candle, for example, can you tell me how far its light will go even after it has burnt out. The light of tiny a candle will go on forever all around.

The existence of God Almighty cannot be disproved by a limitative presence of space and time, but it can be proved by the presence of human mind, mind that is a space in its own. When you think of God do not go away from yourself, think about yourself, for this is the purpose.

Answer 6

the classic god of traditional jewish, moslem (muslim) and christian can not exist within space and time due to the fact that if a god exists within space and time that means that god is limited within this space and time and can not have created the world as this god is part of the world. This would mean that that god is not all powerful and not the god of classical theism. God may not even exist anymore (the unmoved mover) god may have existed and now no longer exists or there may even be a commitee of gods!

Answer 7

Your right that God must exist outside of spacetime (if God does), but I'd be interested to see how you justify that "existence requires temporality." Is this justifiable or a presupposition?

Answer 8

Trees Greenth,don't know E=mc^2,and don't know FFX-X2 Enya-"Pax Deorum".Temporary events.Gods are made of unknown guess.She exist becouse is next day.Everyone X.
What is, is Earth.A stop at the end of time.Corners from the Universe.Who wolked there,know the threshold and the hunt,
and another way.Once upon a time there was Kasper Houser with a star.

Answer 9

No, He does not. 2000 years ago, Peter the Apostle said that to God a thousand years is as a day, and a day a thousand years. For Him to be bound in space/time would imply that His existence would be critically linked with matter and energy. He is a part of and bound by neither. He created them. He can be in the universe without being of it.

Answer 10

God only exists in the minds and belief structures of those who have a christian faith, so I suppose if you were to send a christian astronaut out into spacetime, ergo god would exist. Conversely this is an athiest household, so god does not exist here on my patch of the earth, if however a christian were to enter the household, that throws up the dilema of whether he exists in my house or not.......as that mind would have brought their values and belief structures into the house where he does not exist!!!! Illustrating basically that an intangible non physical entity can only exist in the minds which chose to carry it.

If there were no people to carry this doctrine or belief ergo god would not exist.

Answer 11

Manchester Blogger's answer is a bit extreme...I've never been there.

To answer your question.....I am not bound by the laws of physics which govern the universe as you know it.

Imagine you are a paramecium in a fresh water pond.....to you, the pond is your universe....isn't it huge.

There is so much beyond your physical and temporal realm which you simply could not understand. Don't worry too much about needing to know the answers or reasons, just enjoy your life as much as you can.