Why does it matter what the motive behind a crime might have been? If one victim is killed for the $43 in the convenience store's till, and another because a Klansman felt like killing a Black man, is one more dead than the other?
I realize the State has a compelling interest in preventing crime, but IMO hate crime legislation does nothing but give an official state preference to one class of crime over another.
2007-05-03 05:23:10 · 13 answers · asked by Rick N 1 in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
LadyBlue: I believe what you're referring to is called premeditation, as is already covered in state and federal law. Why add yet another factor to be considered?
2007-05-03 06:00:48 · update #1
Chrissy: Actually I was not referring to crimes of passion. I was mostly being a smart *ss. One generally does not kill out of a sense of love. I understand the concept of premeditation. If anything, properly applying the concept strengthens my argument.
2007-05-03 06:08:50 · update #2
We shouldn't.
I knew a guy who beat the crap out of his wife, but insisted he loved her. That's the closest thing to a love crime I've ever heard of.
To answer Meathook: I would call everything Jesse Jackson does a hate cime against white people.
2007-05-03 05:30:27 · answer #1 · answered by El Pistolero Negra 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
This really has more to do with our Free Speech than it does
hate crimes, the homosexual mafia wants to make any
speech against gay marriage, or gay activities to be
considered a hate crime and the liberals are supporting this,
if this passes you will be guilty a hate crime if you speak out
against gays in any matter.
I can see the murder, beating harassing etc of a gay person
being called a hate crime, but when it becomes a hate crime
to voice ones opinion then that is a violation of the First
Ammendment.
Don't think for a moment that there isn't any other legislation
going on agains Free Speech, just google HR-3302
and see what the liberals (starting with George Soros)
is trying to do to talk radio, specifically Rush Limbaugh
Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and my guess is that talk
show hosts such as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson
will not have this applied to them, and the reason
seems obvious, they would call it a HATE CRIME
EDIT: are the thumbs down from the liberals that don't like
the idea that we know they are trying to limit free speech
or from the gay community because they KNOW that I
am right?
Dudes, (Gays and Libs) you both know I am right and no
I am not a gay basher, I don't hate gays, I hate the SIN
and the fact that they want to force their lifestyle on to
the rest of the world
2007-05-03 12:37:37 · answer #2 · answered by justgetitright 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋
as for a love crime, I'm assuming you are more referencing the crime of passion. Where one kills or injures somebody because of loss of control over emotions.
Where as a hate crime is a sometimes pre-meditated targeting of a particular person due to that persons race, sex, creed, orientation.
Ones typically pre-meditated, and ones not.
Do I think one is worse than the other,?.....Murder is still murder. However the penalties for Murder 1, and Murder 2 are completely different.
2007-05-03 12:58:23 · answer #3 · answered by Chrissy 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You'd think that a nation full of people who claim they're persecuted so much would be all over this one supporting it. Except there's one problem...they're the ones doing the persecuting in this case. Killing someone for money and killing someone because they are black, Christians or gay is two entirely differently things. And yes one IS worse than the other. Gog's answer is fine example of why this type of law is needed. When you have such an inflated sense of entitlement that you think it's ok to kill certain groups of people, you deserve a tougher prison sentence.
2007-05-03 12:32:45 · answer #4 · answered by St. Tom Cruise 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
I believe that all violent crime is motivated by hate in one form or another. Why should it carry stiffer penalties because it was perpetrated against a certain class of people.
And has anyone ever heard of a hate crime by a minority against a white person? Does that ever happen?
Edit - Black Gunman I would agree, but since my avatar is devoid of as much pigment as your I will now be labeled a racist.
2007-05-03 12:28:04 · answer #5 · answered by meathookcook 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋
One is random while the other is done with specific intent. Love crimes, wouldn't be crimes, whereby the definition of love excludes malice.
2007-05-03 12:30:58 · answer #6 · answered by LadyBlue42 1 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I agree with you. A crime is a crime whether it's some
dummy that just wants to kill someone for fun, or whether
it's a white guy that hates blacks. Actually, it is because
they want to really protect the gay community, so if you
do something to them, it can be determined it was a hate
crime.
2007-05-03 12:30:57 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
The argument on the house floor is that without a clearcut definitive statement of what is a hate crime and what groups are protected from such crimes it creates protected classes of people that should not be protected.
2007-05-03 12:31:50 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋
You have to considere things like this as well.
What if a man is robbed and beaten, but it turns out he is gay. Is that a hate crime, even if the attacker did not knwo he was gay? Where does it end?
2007-05-03 12:28:24 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
It is all the left wings POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. They are working to make it a CRIME if you or I call some one a name that would be INSULTING to them.
2007-05-03 12:56:13 · answer #10 · answered by just the facts 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋