What the heck is wrong with this President? This administration is an embarrassement. What is your opinion on a hate crime bill that doesn't include orientation?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070503/ap_on_go_co/hate_crimes
2007-05-03 05:01:31 · 23 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Cultures & Groups ➔ Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender
god someone please just tell me why this plucher was re elected. he's so blind, and speaks to god, we have someone with schizophrenia for a president......
he should be shot, bringing the dead american soldiers home on night flights so the public can't see the carnage, give them some dignity when they die, their not invisible in my eyes......
2007-05-03 05:08:52 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 4⤋
A person has the same right to say they don't believe to be gay is normal or "right", the same as anyone has teh right to say the opposite. If a church opposes gay marriage, the government shouldn't be kicking down the doors and forcing the churches to perform the ceremonies. This bill is about intolerance of people's first ammendment rights, freedom of speech and religion. However kooky Koresh was, the charges were false and it was democrats like these now running the Capitol who sent in armored vehicles, tear gas and news cameras rather than just pick the guy up while he was out jogging on area roads. that is their version of "religous tolerance", worship what we tell you, or else. I don't believe homosexuality is normal, if it's equal with heterosexual relations, then why discriminate agianst bestiality? I know a lot of farmers who would benefit by claiming their 120 head milk dairy as "co-habitants" so they could write off expenses. That said, I don't encourage discrimination agianst someone for being gay, I know several people who are, I think they are mistaken, the same as people I know who smoke or are excessively overweight, and they know what I think about it, we just don't discuss it. I'm not pushing religion on anyone, but no one will silence me from stating what I believe in.
2007-05-03 17:43:11 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Although the bill passed, it did so with only 237 votes and cannot overcome a veto.
This is an example of political posturing on both sides. Those who vote for it can say that they support the gay community without accomplishing anything. The president and those who voted against it can appeal to the right wing extremist Republican base by showing that they tacitly support discrimination against gay people.
My opinion on a hate crime bill that doesn't include orientation is that hate crime laws are not very effective no matter what class of people they mention because they are selectively enforced, with an example being in a question I previously asked:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AmZjpZUfvaBnoE3R.1G5xMzsy6IX?qid=20070502185314AAz7fUG
2007-05-03 09:15:30 · answer #3 · answered by χριστοφορος ▽ 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
What is wrong with this President?
Let's see, he's corrupt, a liar, incompetent, thinks God told him to go to war, put this country in a debt so large it will take four generations to crawl out of it, let big Pharmaceutical write the Medicare prescription bill there bye f**king over every senior citizen or disabled person in this country, is letting big oil rip us off blind, he's completely delusional, stupid, doesn't know he's a puppet for Chaney and Rove, got us stuck in a illegal and immoral war, he would rather let our kids get killed in said war rather then admit he made a mistake, treats our veterans like **** after they are useless to him and is an absolute and total imbecile who can't put one sentence together correctly, let alone two, and has made America the most hated country on earth. Oh, and has completely ignored the Constitution over 700 times (google it).
Other than that, well my finger's are getting tired.
2007-05-03 05:26:56 · answer #4 · answered by Warren 3 · 2⤊ 3⤋
He's going to veto every bill the democrats send to him. That way, the Republicans can campaign in 2008 against the "do-nothing" Democrat Congress.
It's politics at its most cynical.
2007-05-03 05:51:17 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
hmm..i'll probably be unpopular for this, but...
i don't believe hate crimes should be given special treatment simply b/c the motivation was hate or prejudice. a murder is a murder, whether done during a mugging or done because of bias. i'm not saying that law enforcement shouldn't pursue hate related crimes, but in the end, it's the same result. if an activity is already criminalized, attaching extra penalties to it b/c of motivation won't discourage it more. if we really want to get serious about violence, simply adding stiffer penalties won't solve it.
2007-05-03 05:12:33 · answer #6 · answered by Jnr528 5 · 6⤊ 2⤋
WHAT?!?!?! THEY ARE VETOING IT?!??!?
"We must take a strong stand against violence committed against our neighbors for simply being who they are.
The purpose of our government, first and foremost, is to protect all citizens—regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or disability.
The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act would provide critical resources for local law enforcement agencies, so they can investigate and prosecute hate crimes."
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States dictates that, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
I feel sick...why are they not protecting us??????? I thought there had been enough changes to bring this about! I called my representative about it....How is protecting us HURTING anyone?
2007-05-03 05:09:44 · answer #7 · answered by maeveangel 3 · 5⤊ 3⤋
Well, ANY hate crime bill should include orientation, as it should include gender and age, in my opinion. But it doesn't surprise me at all that he wouldn't like this. there have been very few things that he has agreed with that I haven't, and vice versa.
Tab H - He wouldn't explain to Cindy Sheehan, why would he explain to Matthew Shepard's mother?
2007-05-03 05:17:53 · answer #8 · answered by Tikhacoffee/MisterMoo 6 · 3⤊ 3⤋
UPDATE: The U.S. House of Representatives passed federal "hate crimes" bill H.R. 1592 by a vote of 237 to 180 today, Thursday, May 3, 2007. However, the White House issued a statement prior to its passing, stating that President Bush would veto such legislation if it gains Senate approval and heads to his desk.
"We must continue to pray and raise our voices against all thought crimes legislation, and also work to repeal similar state laws," Repent America director Michael Marcavage stated upon hearing of the vote and veto declaration. "Those who hate God are working to criminalize those who love Him, and they are making great strides to see that it happens. We must not remain silent as our liberty to freely speak the Word of God and the Gospel message is being threatened by those who are framing mischief by a law," Marcavage concluded.
LIFT UP THY VOICE AS THE FIRST AMENDMENT NEARS DEATH 4/27
PHILADELPHIA – Repent America (RA) is urgently calling Christians not to exercise their "right to remain silent" as the federal "hate crimes" bill proposal, H.R. 1592, heads for a vote in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday, May 3, 2007.
"H.R. 1592 is an unnecessary, unconstitutional, and un-American bill, which, with the aid of homosexual-friendly prosecutors, will be used to criminalize Christians for their thoughts, beliefs, and speech," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "The silence of the American church, together with the unrelenting rage of the ungodly, will soon result in the widespread incarceration of true believers," said Marcavage.
In October of 2004, eleven Christians with RA were arrested while ministering and preaching the Word of God and the Gospel message on the public streets and sidewalks of Philadelphia during a taxpayer-funded celebration of homosexuality. After spending 21 hours in jail, the District Attorney’s office charged the eleven under Pennsylvania’s hate crimes law, along with a host of other felony and misdemeanor charges. These charges were later dismissed, but if convicted, the Christians would have faced up to 47 years in prison and $90,000 in fines each.
"If H.R. 1592 is passed and signed into law, it will go beyond the state’s anti-‘hate’ arsenal, and supply federal prosecutors with the ammunition to police our thoughts, beliefs, and speech with even much broader applications," Marcavage said. "The First Amendment is already on life support, particularly as it applies to religious liberty. Christians must diligently work to revive our liberties by working to stop the homosexual agenda and its allies from pulling the plug. Otherwise, preparations should be made for the funeral, but this time without the preacher," Marcavage concluded.
"Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity? … Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?" (Psalm 94:16, 20)
2007-05-04 03:19:01 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Poor George up to it again huh? What are they afraid of setting a precedent. It's already said and done. Let him veto it - its just the first wave. What does Mary Cheney think - oh right never mind.
2007-05-03 05:16:59 · answer #10 · answered by lawofconstantcomposition 2 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Two thoughts:
One is that our devoutly religious president is consistent in not separating church and state when it comes to exercising his executive prerogatives. He consistently imposes his religious beliefs on the country in his administrative actions.
However, "hate crime" bills have no business being enacted by Congress. That's a state responsibility. If someone feels their civil rights have been interfered with, they can always pursue civil and criminal action under existing laws. So it's just as well that he vetoes this inappropriate "feel good" legislation.
2007-05-03 05:11:40 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 5⤋