Anyone else sick of a minority causing trouble?

Question

Personally I am.
I'm sick of reading the paper or watching the news and being bombarded with stories of these pathetic individuals who think it's their right to make everyone elses lives a misery.
I'm sick of the government and the police not doing everything they can to stop it because it willl infringe their human rights.
Bull S**t!
What about everyone elses rights?
The right to go about your life without these pathetic excuses for people making it a misey!
What's all this ASBO nonsence? Just slam them in jail!
I'm sick of these kids under 18 who think the law can't touch them, and when it does they get locked away in what's basically a glorified youth club. Playstations and DVD's to watch. Punishment?! It's a holiday!
No wonder they don't care if they keep getting locked up, probably more fun than the grotty estates they vandalize anyway...
Anyone else think there should be more severe punishments? because I do, most definately.

Audreyann - What are you talking about?When I said minority I meant a small number of people who like to upset the majority of hard working, law abiding people. What exactly were you talking about when you said I started talking about playstations?
I think you're the one confused by my question, not me. It's perfectly clear and next time you want to give a criticism for an answer make sure it's clear and easy to comprehend.

Yes I agree that prisons are becoming too full. Maybe thats because they keep locking up the elderly for failing to pay their council tax rather than the real criminals.
Judges are too soft in my opinion, handing out leniant sentences, that are often a walk in the park for these yobs.
Taking away the priviledges in prisons e.g the playstations/dvd's/cd players/pool tables etc might discourage people from wanting to go back a second time.

Vital_Moor - How can you justify the behaviour of these people by saying that they just don't fit in with the majority?

There was an incident recently where an elderly man was beaten up by a young man, who is well known in the area for comitting violent crimes and continual flouting of his asbo/tags. Its disguisting that you could justify what he has done by saying he simply doesn't fit in with societies norms.
People like this are a danger to everyone else and there should be alot more being done to stop them.

Answer 1

I blame the current government for a lot of the problems we have in this country at the moment. Since labour was voted in this country has gone down the toilet.

They're all total liars, they've made life for middle class working families intolerable.

The NHS is totally screwed, the police, courts, prisons are a joke. We are so over taxed it's almost funny. They've made one screw up after another and what is so annoying is that they never admit to it, just lie after lie. All they care about is their public image.

The whole ASBO culture thing is typical labour. They're so busy spending all the money they extract from us in taxes on expanding the already hugely innefficeint, overstaffed, bloated administration that they have nothing left for the important issues like crime, health, education. Of course they're to worried about image to kick some butt and actually give people an incentive not to behave this way.

I mean how is it possible that you can run out of places in jail?? That's ridiculous. What kind of as**ole have they got running this dept. What about immigration? Losing track of dangerous offenders, etc, etc.

Locking up problem teenage dirtbags is a short term fix but not a solution. In youth detention facilities they learn more about more serious crime than ever they would if they were back home.

Kids from an underpriveledged background need to be better educated from the start and their parents held accountable for their actions. That doesn't mean imposing a fine that they would not be able to pay, that means jail time or community service or cut their benefits and throw them out their free house.

If you toss the kids out the house after school (if they go to school)to get them out of the way it's likely they're going to hang around in the local gang. So actually put in some effort and engage their minds. Be a parent, they had the kids, they should be responsibe for them.

It's way too easy to live a reasonable life off of benefits plus a little crime and cash work on the side, and the more kids you produce the more money you have coming in. I don't personally blame these people for exploiting the system as it's made so easy and the knowledge of how to do so is passed from one generation to the next.

Also while I'm on this topic perhaps the government should stop giving the super rich massive perks for living here, which incidentally is partly why everything is going up in price and tax them the same as everyone else. These people with obscene wealth should not be getting a free ride at our expense. Go back to basics, cut out all of the dead wood in the administration (probably half) use the money saved to start again. The next government has an uphill struggle to turn this country around.

Answer 2

I agree with most of what you said but the reason people aren't being jailed is because there's just not enough room in the prisons. Another school of thought is that prison does nothing other than teach criminals how to commit more crime, some even call prisons 'Universities of Crime'.

Thinks are going downhill worryingly fast but I don't think prison is the solution. At the same time I do agree that we are far too lenient on these people. In my area there has been a group of youths causing all sorts of problems and going through the process even to get them a (probably useless) Asbo is taking forever.

I wish I knew the answer.

By the way, I also agree about the human rights twaddle in this country, everyone except the innocent receives protection. Good one, Tony.

Answer 3

You're right, the punishment's associated to public nuisance crimes are a joke, whilst the problems are making people's lives a misery. Young people know that the police have very little power over them and in this world of Political Correctness gone mad, they know that they can't even get a good hiding from their parents without crying "assault". They are cowards who, while flaunting the law, hide behind it when anyone tries to do something about them. How can we allow this?

I say bring back the belt and get these kids in a "boot camp" type environment. Unless we have more severe punishments they will continue to rule our streets. It should also be said that parents need to take more responsibility. When I was a kid I simply wasn't allowed to roam the streets at night.

Prisons are a holiday camp, I've posted before that I know a couple of people who have served time recently - one of whom did a long stretch about 20 years ago - and they can't believe what a good life they get on short term sentences these days. Sky TV so they can watch the football, hot meals, their clothes laundered. We need to get a grip and stop worrying about the civil rights of the criminals/trouble makers and start worrying about the quality of life of the decent, law abiding citizens that just want to be able to walk the streets safely.

Answer 4

Firstly, for frequent offenders, the first action should be sterilisation to reduce the supply of similar creatures.

A return to 'hard labour' for offenders from the age of thirteen would get them off the street and serve as a deterrent when they are returned to society. In addition, a points system similar to that used for motorists would identify the worst offenders who could be executed if hard labour failed to teach them a lesson.

Now the voice of liberalism. I believe that the underlying thinking behind ASBOs is fundamentally flawed. The use of the Civil Law with its lower burden of proof as the basis for criminal sanction is probably the greatest incursion into civil rights that this government has achieved. Having got public acceptance of this principle, future governments may well expand it to other aspects of the criminal law, forcing the innocent to bankrupt themselves defending civil actions that lack the evidence for a criminal case.

Answer 5

Maybe would could go back to the days of shipping them to Australia for hard labour, the middle of Australia isn't used much so lets send them there, the can work and toil in that soring heat for hours on end each day and just be given the odd slice of bread and drink of water and spend the rest of their days there surrounded by big electric fences so they can't ever escape, that way the ones who seem to keep brushing their behaviour under the carpet can forget about them entirely.

Answer 6

All very well in principle but our jails are jam packed as it is. Where exactly is the space going to come from and the funds to build more jails, the staff to look after the jails....and the funding to keep them in prison? Our economy is barely cutting the mustard now.

Saying that, I agree with you that I am sick of individuals who should go out and get a job like the rest of us. Instead of take take take, I wish they would give something back.

I hope you are voting today, and exercising your human right... ;-)

Answer 7

Actually the Crusades was started by Mohammad. 630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting "agreements" from northern tribes. They could enjoy the "privilege" of living under Islamic "protection" (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax. This tax sets the stage for Muhammad’s and the later Caliphs’ policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor. 632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom. 633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616-17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034-35). and it continues.... As long as well allow them to stay they will. Can non muslims stay in Mecca even though it was invaded by the Muslims? there is in fact NO muslim country but they are invaded by them.

Answer 8

Exactly how is an asbo supposed to stop them - PATHETIC - lock um up from the start and teach them a lesson! Perhaps it will give them chance to turn their lives around before its too late!

Answer 9

Hi,
Yeah but sadly its the majority causing trouble and totally agree that punishments should be tougher overall.xx

Answer 10

Who is creating the problems?
The minority by not acting as the mojority likes. Or the majority by not accepting the different lifestyle of other people. Why should there be one lifestyle be better than an other one? This is only thinking that you are superior to others.
But perhaps the problems and damage caussed by our lifestyle (global warming, war in Iraq, etc. ) is much bigger thant the relatively small things that are caused by these minorities.

These people don't make your life misery... It is yourself who makes your life missarable by judging others and their behaviour. It is yourfeeling of hate for them, your feelings of revencha, your feeling of looking down on these person that makes you feel missery.

So if you want to do something at it. We all have to change ourself and be compassionate with these miniorities.

Why are they acting in this way and how can we help them to find a good way in life.

Be an example of a happy person for them and be tollerant and act not out of hate or revenche but out of compassion.

Do you realy thing that these young people want a life in jail, want the life they live now by harming other people?

Of course not.
But if we use constantly our prejudgements and look in that way to them they cannot change and have no other way to express themself in society. Create alternatives for these people and show them how we can live in peace and harmony together. This starts with understanding the problems of these people and not by putting them in jail.