Those who oppose the war?

Question

I would address this to dems, but that would leave out the half of reps who oppose the war...What do you think about Rice telling us that we won't see the outcome of the troop surge until the end of summer? Are you OK, knowing that we have a timeline to go back and measure the success? Personally, I was very happy to be told when we can measure the success...

perhaps I am being too optimistic...but I feel they have run out of excuses.

tehabwa, it isn't that I believe them, or ever have...it's just that now they have made a statement that I can hold them accountable for. So when this troop surge doesn;t work, as they haven't the last 4 times, we can say enough is enough. My optimism comes in where I believe that voters will remember this is what was said...

Answer 1

I would be OK with the end of summer, if Bush clearly defines "success" and agrees to consequences (withdrawal) for failure. But he won't agree to that. Bush thinks he should not be accountable to anyone for anything. Congress needs to hold him accountable, or the voters should hold Congress accountable.

I would prefer for Congress to cut off funds immediately and allocate new funds to be used only for the safe withdrawal of our troops. Then if Bush misappropriates funds to continue to put our troops in harm's way, Congress should impeach & remove him immediately (American soldiers are dying every day they delay.)

Answer 2

I'm hoping the 110th Congress doesn't send him another funding bill, but I'm not very optimistic. Every Congress usually sets new lows for stupidity.

When the summer ends and the troop surge results in an even bigger disaster, the Bush Administration is just gonna have more excuses. They're governing this country just like the Democrats did in the 90s. Clinton also loved going on wars of nation building. Clinton would have loved to double the size of the Department of Education. Clinton would have loved to pass Medicare Part D and hasten the bankruptcy of the United States of America.

I hope the 2008 election results in defeat both for the Clinton/Obama Democrats and the Neo-Con Republicans. It would be nice if the election would be Mike Gravel VS Ron Paul. They're the only decent candidates running for the nominations of the 2 big parties.

Answer 3

This war is a great misrepresentation of US security interests in several ways. If the Bush administration has its way it will never end the war.
1. They have named Iraq a part of the Global War on Terror, which they themselves very well know is a great lie. War on Terror cannot be won militarily because terrorists are not based in one country. We need good old police work for this like they do in the Scotland Yard.
2. The Iraq government would never step up to the plate because no such thing exists, Maliki is just a poster boy while the Bush administration pulls all the strings, thus how can they pressure themselves to be more responsible.
3. They keep pouring more and more troops in the Iraq occupation with different slogans and names, there has been 3 other surges already in the past, we have extended service time to 15 months and talking on extending it to 18 months, we have almost the same number of missionaries in Iraq as US troops, who are not included in any numbers of death tolls or injuries.
4. Iraq has become the financial black hole since any money but in Iraq doesn't seem to yeild any results.
5. Defunding the war does not mean defunding the troops, ie the constitution affords the troops the right to be safely trasported home if the congress withdraws the financial support for a war. Specifically designed for a war such as this.
6. Iraq is in a civil war, and the reason our kids should come home is simply this:
What kind of clothes do the Sunnis wear? What kind of clothes do the Shites wear? The same kind of attire. Our kids have no idea who is their friend and who is their foe, regardless of the fact that often their foes present themselves as their friends as a war tactic. US troops as in the middle of a civil war with huge target signs on them.
September is just a way to buy time for themselves because its in their interest to keep this war going for as long as possible.

Answer 4

I don't oppose the war, but I am sick of the endless stalemate we are engaged in. We should either fight to win or withdraw. The mission objectives are no longer clearly defined and haven't been since we toppled Hussein. A war without direction cannot truly be won because their is no measurement of success on which to base the term winning. We cannot force democracy on the Iraqi people and they do not seem to be embracing the concept in anything close to a western idea. Mr. Bush looks to me like a man who is bound and determined not to lose, but at the same time is not willing to do what is required to win either. I firmly believe he is trying to weather the storm until the end of his tenure as president and then will be content to claim it is the problem of someone else to end it. Every statement by the administration on the matter, including those by Mrs. Rice are stalling tactics to support those ends.

Answer 5

I don't oppose the war, as you know, but it should indeed give people comfort to see some kind of projection of what we expect.

If Rice has to eat her words, then so be it.

Some points are valid on each side, some are not. I get in my "stir the pot" moods too.

Asking the government "what do you expect to happen, and can you estimate when" is eminently reasonable, especially in war. Although the answer to the second may be "no, we can't estimate," sometimes!

PS The administration was caught absolutely flat-footed by the insurgency and by the sectarian strife driven in part by it, no doubt. Public patience is wearing thin, to say the least.

Answer 6

Rumsfeld said we'd be there, he wasn't sure, 6 days, 6 weeks, he "doubted" it would last as long as 6 months.

I remind you, that was over 4 years ago.

The Bush administration has predicted it wouldn't last all along.

Two years ago, Cheney said we were seeing "the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."

Uh, no. We weren't.

Each of the elections was going to signal and end to the fighting.

When they said they had never said "Stay the course" the fighting was going to end real soon now.

NOT.

Yes, you are being hopelessly and unreasonably optimistic.

Not one of their predictions has been right.

How many times do they have to be proven wrong before you will stop taking what they say seriously?

They do not ever say things because those things are true. They say things because they want people to believe them, or want them to be true. That ain't the same.

There is no reason to think things will be better by the end of summer.

They have been getting progressively worse since we dropped the first bomb, with each year, and each month being worse than the year and month before it.

I think when someone has lied to you thousands of times in the past (remember Rice's "mushroom cloud" statements? Hussein didn't have nukes, nor was he anywhere close to making them; he had no active nuke program at all), then you're out of your mind to believe them.

Answer 7

If the weapons of Mass Destruction have been got here across have been is the evidence? undesirable US distant places coverage bring about those wars. Even the CIA destructive Operation Iraqi Freedom. this may well be a factor of the explanation why Secretary of State Colin Powell did no longer stay. all of us that criticized George Walker Bush by skill of telling the actuality as to how secretive his manipulations of the regulation have been under pressure by skill of the FBI. prepare evidence of the WMDs. Even veterans of those conflict found out they have been lied to.

Answer 8

I'm sorry but I don't call dribbling more troops into Iraq over several months a surge. Why is it OK for the administration to announce their intentions but if someone opposes and speaks out they are emboldening the enemy? After over four full years of this fiasco I expect more of the same from the administration come August. We need a little more time, we're turning the corner, the insurgency is in its last throes. Mission accomplished. I sure hope the mission gets accomplished soon, I'm tired of this steady diet of bullshit.

Answer 9

We can't reasonable see the effects of the surge immedately. Sure it takes time. But we've heard that for several years now. It will be little different by end of summer.

Answer 10

shes just bushs dog running around without making any real impact on the situation..this war needs to end before it gets any worse.