What do Straight and Gay really represent?

Question

Please give your thoughts about the following:

The thing is the concept of 'sexual orientation' is faulty and based on unstable ground, and people are still not sure what it really means.

E..g there is not really a solid consensus of what 'homosexuality' constitutes. Or who is really 'gay'?

I have this to say about 'gay' and 'straight' that may help:

Straight:

Straight actually means mainstream, and it is only in the west that heterosexuality, that too exclusive heterosexuality has been made mainstream. In the rest of the world only sex within marriage is allowed in mainstream and no public display of affection between men and women See the recent furore over Gere and Shilpa Shetty kissing on stage. Men who are too intimate with women are seen as wimps not 'straights'. Men would be as ashamed to be seen in social company of women as in the west men are ashamed to hold hand with another man in public.

The actual straight sexuality is bisexual, but since most straight men have to suppress their sexual need for men, and since gays claim it all as their own, Straights put on the masks of 'heterosexual' identity. Besides they have also been defined contrivingly as 'heterosexual' by the west.

Gay:

Gay is actually a western reincarnation of the traditional 'third gender' space that has always existed in all societies, in all ages, except in Christian societies in the west.

Originally, the third gender space was a honoured space for feminine gendered males, whatever their sexuality was. most third gender males had a sexual need for women.

As societies started forcing men to mate with women (very few men mated with women regularly in nature ------- surprised!), they started to play dirty gender and sexual politics. One of the first victims were the third gendered people. The space was now defined in terms of transgendered males who take it in, especially exclusively. they were also known to be promiscuous. the 'heterosexual' transgenders were now denied a social space.

All through the world, eversince, this third gender or 'gay' space has been known by different names: "Catamite" in the ancient Greece, Hijra in medieval India, Kathoey in Thailand, Pandaka in ancient.....

.....south and south east asia, Lady boy and several such names all over the world (except in cut off tribal societies where third gender still was only about transgenderd without any reference to their sexuality).

Non transgendered males who desired men (whether exclusively or not) have always been considered mainstream (and thus straight!) and part of the 'men's gender' by these societies where sex and love between men was very common ------ whether openly or underground.

There has been a constrant struggle between the FORCES OF HETEROSEXUALISATION (which was created by empowering of male-female sex by society's obsession with increasing reproduction beyond what occurs naturally!) on the one hand....... and MEN'S SPACES on the other. The former has been trying to redefine the men's space totally in terms of 'sexuality for women' so that manhood itself would mean desring women (and not just reproducing)...... and to redefine the third gender space totally in terms of ......

.....sexuality for men,

After industrialisation the forces of heterosexualistion got the power and the opportunity to redefine social spaces, and they created the concept of sexual orientation with the use of which they started isolating same-sex desires in the mainstream community.

They could only do it because they had first destroyed the men's spaces by heterosexualising them, otherwise men would never have allowed same-sex sexuality to be banished. Men had already been rendered incapable of voicing their needs about same-sex sexuality by the way manhood has been formally defined under the politics of manhood.

But still, in the present world, since the essence of the 'gay' space is third gender, mainly feminine gendered (incuding trans, effeminate and masculine-acting males) who like 'taking it in' relate to the word. So much so that the very act of liking another man is considered to be equivalent to a desire to be entered (which most men who like men don't desire) .....

.....and thus to be 'gay'.

Being 'gay' is not just really a sexual identity, it is an important tool of the politics of manhood through which men are banished from manhood and the mainstream male community (straight).

Some non-effeminate guys and those who are not into receptive sex also get fooled by the definition and adopt it (especially when their sexual need is exclusively for men), but they are never comfortable with the gay identity and fitting in is a constant struggle. It's just that they can't place their discomfort. Most men who like men (and they are the majority in the straight world) however prefer to suppress or hide their sexual need for men, and exaggerate their sexual need for women (and pretend a repulsion for male intimacy), rather than acknowledge their sexual nned for men and be forced with the 'gay' label.

Gays think such men are 'incapable of accepting their sexuality' but gays are just being convenient. They have a space where they fit so they can .......

BARKING,

Well let me add some truth to your definitions:

Heterosexual means queer, a demasculated man who submits to women, cries before them, sells out the male race to women and sucks their *******. there is thankfully no heterosexuality in nature, no male-female love (I'm talking about mammals) ----- only sex for reproduction.

Straight means a real man who knows how to bond with another straight man. A man is straight only as long as he has the power to bond with another man. The more powerful this bond, the more manly and straight a man would be. Sexual bonds are the most powerful men's bonds.

Gay means a feminine male who likes men or one who is exclusively or primarily into receptive anal/ oral sex.

Those are the real facts. The rest are just made up by the western Christian society to **** people in their heads.

Answer 1

I love how no one on here has any concept of gender theory and the social construction of gender. You have a point here, and these are some of the prevailing theories. Unfortunately there is not one definition that is entirely correct. All we have is theories.

According to Sandra Bem sex is biological, and gender is a social construct. The concepts of "straight" vs. "gay" are part of the social gender construct of Western culture. The socially constructed nature of gender demands that if you are identified culturally as belonging to a specific gender, then you must fulfill certain roles.

you are correct that many non-Western cultures have gender roles that for the West would be deemed as "homosexual" but in their culture, it is part of the expected behaviors of whichever gender you identify with.

There is a great deal of information on this subject, and i wish you well in forming your own construction of these categories.
Good Luck!

Answer 2

"Relationships Australia", which was 'The Family Guidance Council of Australia', has a web site that may help You to find an answer to Your dilema.
Gay and Straight people are the diametrically antagonistic parameters of sexual diversity, orientation and propensity. Simple.

Answer 3

straight means no curves or angles

Heterosexual means you aren't sexually f*ucked up in the head.

Gay means happy, cheerfull.

Homosexual means sexually f*ucked up in the head. Means you're so screwed in the the reptilian core of your brain that you can't even get the gender sorted out.

Answer 4

Sunday Herald Sun

10 August 2003
Older women urged to become lesbians

By Nikki Voss and Nicole Cox

Australia's leading relationship counselling body is urging lonely older single women to become lesbians.

Relationships Australia spokesman Jack Carney said men's shorter life spans, and their pursuit of much younger women, meant women in their twilight years were often forced to turn to other women for love and companionship.

Mr Carney said the government-funded support group encouraged older women to explore lesbian relationships, which were seen as more nurturing and emotionally supportive.

Older women were even pooling their resources to buy property and making pacts to form couples if they did not find a male partner by a certain age, he said.

"As they get over 60, opportunities to get a man diminish substantially. Men marry younger women and they die about eight years younger, so there is a real male shortage," Mr Carney said.

"And as women get even older it gets much worse, so we ask them to entertain the idea of lesbian relationships."

Australian Pensioner and Superannuants League secretary Yvonne Zardini said she was aware of more women moving in together in old age.

"You notice it more where women are sharing houses, but I never ask exactly what the nature of their arrangements are, but it wouldn't surprise me (if they were in same-sex relationships). Loneliness can be a terrible thing when you are older," she said.

Myra Flynn, from support group Older Dykes, said some older women "defaulted" to lesbian relationships because of a lack of men.

Others had struck up relationships with men in the 1950s and 60s only because they could not be open about their sexuality, or they wanted a child.

"It's becoming more common and I've noticed a growing trend in bisexuality," she said.

The Matrix Guild, a Victorian support group for lesbian women aged over 40, refused to comment on the Relationships Australia advice.

Census 2001 statistics show older members of society are adopting the divorce trend and are leaving life-long partners, some even in their 80s.

Mr Carney said that despite the encouragement for women to "explore other options", married and miserable was still better than alone and free, unless there was abuse.

"The best thing you can do is stay married if you want to live longer," Mr Carney said.

"When I talk to other counsellors, they are seeing many more older people coming in, but we try to tell them to stick with it. Divorce is like amputation."

Founded in 1948 as the Marriage Guidance Council, Relationships Australia is a non-profit counselling organisation funded by both the Federal and State Governments.

In response to the pensioner stampede to the divorce courts, Relationships Australia has launched two courses on how to start again in relationships in old age.

Answer 5

you are thinking about it way too hard.
just be you and don't worry about it. who knows what people feel, everyone does and feels things a little different. I disagree with your straight definition, I think it's possible to be straight , not have bi tendencies and wear a mask to hide it.

Answer 6

Wow. It really is not this complex. You speak of social norms. Reality is a choice.

Answer 7

You nailed it right on the head!! I crave other men, I am so glad to know its normal!!

I printed this article out and showed it to my wife, and she accepts your credibility and we just paid $7,000 for a mail-order-groom from russia to move in with us next week.

THank you for your sheer genius!!! You are an asset to Yahoo!

Answer 8

The pure from the half.

Answer 9

Straight having babies gay nasty stuff