How do we get Pete Rose into the Hall of Fame? MLB is two faced but if we fans speak up, perhaps they will!?

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If you search: "Pete Rose" and "Hall of Fame" as of 4/30/2007 you will notice 103 hits, (questions) with this topic... We have to do something! He is the best, many of his peers hated him. And so what if he gambled, even though I personally find gambling repulsive, I can not deny what he gave "Baseball". He was my idol as a child. Had it not been for him... I know I would have killed myself in the past. I'm 37 years old and I always thought about his work ethic. "If things ain't going right try harder..." "Give it your all." I'm not sure if he said these things or not, but his actions spoke these words. Most of us are full of ourselves, we lie even to ourselves. This man did more for me as person than practically almost anyone I've ever known. Pete Rose is MR. BASEBALL, and by God it is time we send a message to MLB! Is there a website we can start or something I can do to help him be elected. Mr. Baseball is a much migger issue than McGwire and Bonds at least to me!

I agree with JJ, Penguin, WildMtHoney65, TedB, beachdiva954! But you other, nameless people... Yeah Pete Rose lied just like Bonds and McGwire... however there mistakes are a bit harder to pin on them. Due to the fact that many Baseball Stadiums much smaller than they once were. But Mantle, Ruth, and Cobb's sins were much much worse. Oh, and Baseball is an AMERICAN sport. Pete Rose holds more Major League records than any player EVER! And he's never been accused of steroids. Go eat your Taco Bell Man, and make a run for the Border, Bush is after you! Build the WALL. Coming to america without papers is illegal!

Reva is clearly one of these people who are full of themselves. Yes he broke the RULES. But he IS the best there has ever been, and ever will be. He faced Steve Carlton, Tom Seaver, Don Sutton, Bob Gibson, and Nolan Ryan, and many other immortal pitchers and nailed them, not always for home runs, but game winning runs batted in. Reva clearly needs to study his history. I do not deny he broke the rules, and that perhaps he thought he was above the law. But there have been many others way back when who did much worse. Oh and by the way, they did have drugs back in Pete's day and according to him, many players used them way, way back then. Taking a caffeine pill is a heck of a way to make one more alert, and they are not considered illegal either, but morally I'd like to think that is cheating. But baseball is you do your best, and hell maybe even push the limits at times. But if you get caught, they put you into a burning HELL?

Answer 1

Every true fan of baseball believes that Pete Rose should be in the hall. That being said all of these fans should boycott baseball until he is reinstated and put in Cooperstown. Don't go to any games or buy any MLB merchandise. The league will turn inside out trying to get it done.

Answer 2

Rose's circumstances are of his own making.

I really don't care if he ever gets in the Hall (he won't), but I think the institution better serves its mission without him.

But Rose should never, NEVER be reinstated by Major League Baseball. And he's earned that. You need to understand both the extent and effects of Rose's actions, and how thoroughly corrosive internal gambing can be to the game, both as a sporting enterprise and a business.

Rose did apply for reinstatement in 1997. Seligula has never issued a ruling on it, and (obviously) is under no requirements to do so.

Start your own, personal Hall Of Fame and induct Rose if you like.

And... sigh... while we're here, let's note that Jackson certainly knew what was going on, he was complicit, and he admitted to that. And, while it proves nothing, his hitting in the four clean games was superior to the four thrown games -- it's too small a set of data to support firm conclusions about the sincerity of his playing performance, but it certainly doesn't make him look better.

Answer 3

Joe Jackson deserves to be in the Hall of Fame before Pete Rose. His only crime was being ignorant. You can't let Rose in without letting in Shoeless Joe. Even his own convicted teammates said he was innocent and he did have the highest batting average of anyone in the 1919 World Series. I think it's about time to correct this mistake and let him take his rightful place among the immortals. Pete Rose, on the other hand, knew what he was getting into, knew the punishment, admitted his wrongdoing and accepted his lifetime ban . He still thinks he's bigger than the game. He shows no real remorse for what he did or what he could have done to baseball. Keep him out

Answer 4

Pete Rose does not belong in the Hall of Fame and should never even be considered for the Hall of Fame. He bet on his own team when he was in a position where he could influence the outcome of the games. He is a disgrace. He lied for years about his involvement. Now, he wants to come clean. What a loser. His records should also be purged from the books. Put him in the Hall of Shame, not the Hall of Fame.

Answer 5

I"m also a fan of Rose, except when he punched Bud Harrelson during the 1973 playoffs, and think he should be in. Read Mike Schmidt's book "Clearing The Bases." According to Mike, who says in the book he tried to help Pete get back in baseball's good graces and acted as a mediator, thinks that the release of Rose's book" My Prison Without Bars" upstaged baseball's announcement of Eckersley and Moliter's being elected to the HOF, and Baseball got pissed. It's a good book and a quick read (less than 200 pages)

Answer 6

I agree. If the inveterate racist, much-hated (and possible killer) Ty Cobb can be in the Hall of Fame, so can Pete Rose. Rose was a hard worker; his hitting streaks and total hits record should put him firmly in the Hall, no question. Gambling in baseball is awful, I'll agree, but his lifetime suspension should be lifted.

Answer 7

YOU can't. We can't.

One of the rules for HOF eligibility is that the candidate NOT be on the lifetime suspension list. Rose had been on that list since late August 1989, has been eligible to request that that suspension be repealed since late August 1900 and hasn't made that request.

What in the world does that tell you? That single piece of information - that Rose refuses to apply to have that suspension reinstated? Is it possible that this is how Rose is telling the world that he knows he should be suspended in perpetuity? Is that not possbile?

This is aside from the fact that Rose was betting on baseball, which has been illegal in the sport since 1920. In fact, not only has it been illegal in the sport since 1920, but warnings about this are clearly posted in every clubhouse, from rookie ball on up, and lectures are given on the subject every spring by MLB security. Still, Rose believed that he was above the law.

Rose was gambling in amounts more than large enough to mean that he was in contact with more than a few less than savoury individuals, which itself again violates the rules of baseball, with a punishment, yet again, of a lifetime ban from baseball. Further Rose had losses large enough that it is more than reasonable to feel that he could have been asked to either throw games or make certain things happen in order to have at least some of the debts retired without the exchange of money.

When was the last time that you listened to a post-game call-in show? How many times have you heard callers moaning and groaning about the manager not calling for a steal or a hit-and-run, not removing a pitcher at a given spot or not bringing in the pitcher that the caller seemed to feel was needed, not, well that list goes on and on and on. Now, how do you know, how does anyone not on the field and in uniform know whether or not the manager called for a steal, whether or not he called for a hit-and-run, etc?

The answer is that you don't. Nor do the callers. Nor does anyone who wasn't on the field. And yet, this is also how easily any manager can affect the outcome of any game. These fans actually have a point in how they perceive a manager can affect a game, but they have no clue on whether or not he actually did so. It's no coincidence that in every year that Rose was the manager of player-manager of the Reds, they were forecast to win their division, but finshed about 5 or 6 games back. 5 or 6 games. That's one game a month lost when it should have been won. That's not the least bit difficult for any manager to manipulate.

Now, put all of this together and you tell me just how easy it would have been for Rose to retire a debt by doing something for one of his creditors, or by doing something on the order of one of his creditors.

There's more, though, much more. Rose was in a position, through his agent, through his team and teammates (let's not forget he was a player manager), through his other contacts within baseball, to have knowledge about other players on other teams, knowledge not available to you and I, that could well have affected the outcome of any game. Rose is a compulsive gambler, and this knowledge is something that he could not help but use to his advantage when he placed his bets. If you're a business person, this is called insider trading, and the SEC will throw your backside in jail faster than you can say Martha Stewrt (another person who ought to have known better - she started her working life as a Wall Street broker). What Rose did with that knowledge is the baseball equivalent of insider trading. And this is why MLB has banned betting on baseball since 1920.

Rose did more for you can practically almost anyone? What, you parents never even tried to instill a work ethic in your? You were never a Boy Scout? You never played on a team of any kind at any time when you were in school? Every one of these persons and every one of these activities was working to do just that - to instill a work ethic in you. A WORK ETHIC, not a sense of entitlement. A WORK ETHIC, not a sense that you are above the law and that you are the only thing that can possibly count. You were 18 at the time that Rose was suspended from baseball, and your memories of this are severely coloured (miscoloured, if the truth be known) by the sense, shared by teens everywhere, that you were immune to all of the difficulties of life.

Rose did more for you can practically almost anyone? How pathetic a statement is that?

Pete Rose is not MR Baseball, he never has been and he never will be. And gambling is every bit as big an issue as is PED's, every bit as big.

Answer 8

pete rose admited to betting on baseball after 15 years of lying that he didn't. he also signed the papers ON HIS OWN when he was banned from baseball.

i find it ironic that many of you would try and hang a player like bonds or big mac for (apparently lying and not being honest) when rose signed papers ADMITNG BOTH.

Answer 9

Rose should be in the hall of fame. I would support any petition to major league baseball stating that. Include Joe Jackson on the petition also.

Answer 10

Gambling is the worst malady known to man,far worst than drug abuse or drinking.,Just last month another NCAA school, in Ohio,was contaminated by fixers.Pete Rose was a spectacular player but he broke the rules.