I keep hearing the rediculous argument that fire cannot melt steel (even though that is how steel is made), how come Rosie and the wackos haven't claimed the SF freeway disaster as an "in house" job because basically we are dealing with a steel and concrete structure which was destroyed by a firey explosion.
2007-04-30
08:32:18
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For those who live in a cave and don't understand the "fire can't melt steel" part, it is a quote from Rosie O'Donnell: "This is the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel," which she, as a 9/11 conspiracy proponent said on her show "The View." I kinda took it as common knowledge, sorry.
Also, the freeway was made of concrete with steel joists, supports and internal frame. The frams was melted by the fire. Google for photos.... I can't do all the work for you.
Lastly, a lot of anger on this for some reason....I've been called "idiot," "moron," etc.... some people take this stuff way to seriously... It was just an observation that I thought would generate discussion and guess what? I was right about that... I rule.
2007-04-30
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In Detroit in 2000 a gasoline tanker truck exploded on the elevated overpass exit ramp from I-75 to I-94. Also the explosion of a gasoline tanker truck will leave a big crater in the highway.
http://www.greatdreams.com/homeland-security.htm
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051124/NEWS12/51124008
A gasoline tanker crashed and burst into flames near the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge creating such intense heat that a stretch of highway melted and collapsed.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/29/highway.collapse.ap/index.html
It may not seem that burning gasoline is so hot but burning gasoline has a temperature above 1500° E (945° C). Therefore, it can heat objects in the fire area above its ignition temperature.
http://www.columbusfire.net/fire/gasoline.shtml
Steel is not an element. It is a compound. The melting point of steel depends on the mixture of the elements it contains.
Iron (Fe) is an element that is the main component of steel. The "melting point" of iron is
1535.0 °C (1808.15 K, 2795.0 °F)
http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/fe.html
Steel is an alloy comprised mostly of iron, with a carbon content between 0.02 % and 1.7 % by weight, depending on grade. Carbon is the most cost-effective alloying material for iron, but various other alloying elements are used such as manganese and tungsten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel
At what temperature does a floor truss begin to sag if it is not coated in fire-resistant insulation? How hot can a fire burn if it is well (very well) ventilated? 1000 degrees F? 2000 degrees F? According to NASA jet fuel CAN burn as hot as 3000 degrees F. See this video to understand how the WTC tower 1 and 2 collapsed...the drywall was the "inside agent"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0u3XAYkIs
The high temperatures of the burning jet fuel, steel, plastics and other components made the whole area intensely hot and structures nearby were irrepairably damaged (building 7).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XImQ6a-VrnA&mode=related&search=
Larry Silversteing, building owner and FDNY pulled building 7.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs
Rosie O'Donnell will be leaving "The View" in June. Rosie O'Donnell used emotion to obfuscate fact and her celebrity status to rally people to impeach President Bush. On "The View " Rosie O'Donnell adamantly declared that, "it was the first time in history that fire melted steel' (in building 7 of WTC).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba6j2k6wzdQ&mode=related&search=.
She begins her tirade with, "Historically have governments ever faked incidents or incited incidents to get them into war."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPtEQk0k3YI
2007-05-01 00:46:10
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answered by Anonymous
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Despite the intense fires ability to weaken the truss and connectors that there is NO mention of molten metal in the debris. Also, unlike the debris of the towers and WTC 7, it's not likely we're going to hear anything about thermate (specifically used to destroy steel columns) in the bridge debris.
The concrete roadway that "pancaked down" on the roadway below did not cause the lower freeway to collapse. Nor has the concrete disintegrated into a fine powder
2007-04-30 08:48:42
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answered by This Is Not Honor 4
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Interesting question...a few more. Do you think that a freeway has the same internal structure of steel supports that a high rise building has? Do you think that they use the same type of steel in a freeway and a building? Different types of steel and compounds all have different melting temperatures I would imagine. It will be interesting to hear what the scientists say.
2007-04-30 08:52:12
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answered by Danielmcfate 2
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I saw a tanker parked in a fork of the freeway approximately 400m before the scene of the explosion on april 27 at 7:15 pm. This is the closest safe place to park it in preparation. I don't like conspiracy theory's but this seems like a planned event. The link below shows where the tanker was parked in relation to the explosion. They will appear as squares that will provide more information if you move your mouse over them. You may need to zoom out to see both.
2007-05-02 08:55:48
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answered by Anonymous
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Here we go, I knew when I first heard of the accident on the OAKLAND freeway bridge that those who are shivering in their boots to think there might be some conspiracy theorist going to blame their fearless leader, would obsess about this much like they did over one piece of toilet paper and a comment made by some movie star. Are these people so paranoid that they think the boogie man is hiding under their beds ready to pounce on them? If you think people are out to blame Bush and his people for things let me tell you they only get blamed for the wrong things they do. If it seems like a lot of blame it may be because they do a lot of wrong things.
If Rosie said something about it she is a wacko. Why let it bother you so much? Aren't there far more important things for those folks to concern themselves over than what some overly opinionated wack job has to say?
2007-04-30 08:49:53
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answered by Anonymous
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Oh, fire can melt steel, for sure. However, there are still many, many other things about 9/11 that are questionable. Not to say I'm a conspiracy nut, but I do have questions, especially about WTC building 7 being imploded and the whole pentagon crash, and flight 93.
2007-04-30 08:42:48
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answered by Frank 6
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opposite on your narrow concept, an massive majority of liberals do not believe 9-11 develop into an interior interest. absolutely everyone who says fireplace can't soften metal has no comprehend-how of physics and/or chemistry. All it really is mandatory to finish that is a superior gasoline source and a superior source of oxygen. contained with regards to the underpass, it acted merely about like a blower in a forge. Oxygen develop into rushing in to feed the fireplace which led to it to burn the gasoline with extra intensity. Bingo. You 've grew to develop right into a gasoline fireplace right into a 2 hundred feet. blow torch. ~X~
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answered by younan 4
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Kilroy----------I remember thinking when I 1st saw this and found that a semi trailer was able to cause this much destruction that this could cause a whole new wave of attacks---------so much for the twin towers theory a plane could not have caused the steel to melt----------you are right.
2007-04-30 08:41:21
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answered by Anonymous
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Of course fire can melt steel. How the hell do people think it is made?
2007-04-30 08:41:35
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answered by Jace 4
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The bridge didn't turn to rubble like the trade center did. I'll say it one more time, google "Loose change 2"
2007-04-30 08:46:41
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answered by gizmo 3
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