Need help on getting an argument against gay marriage for a debate class.. Can anyone help?

Question

I already have the religion one covered.

Answer 1

The only AGAINST you will get here is from fools - but this (which I got from mdbshop in response to one of my own questions) might be useful.

Read it carefully:

12 reasons why gay people should not be allowed to get married:

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America, and that’s why Atheists and Agnostics are not allowed to get married either.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or a longer lifespan.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
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Answer 2

you could argue historical precedent, but since the idea of marriage has evolved a lot since the beginning of time (women are no longer property, divorce is legal, different races can marry), that argument will fall flat.

you could argue that married gays and lesbians will mean a decrease in income tax revenues for the govt (which is true when they file jointly). not that that is a good reason. actually, maybe that's how we can get republicans on board...argue it's a freakin' tax cut. sheesh

there aren't really any good reasons against it in a state not controlled by religion. i mean, the only reason to stop gay marriage seems to be that it makes some insecure straight people queasy.

oh, and the anti-gay rally cries will have to stop. america can't do without an enemy to focus on. the rich people that rape the middle class need something to divert our attention. more money can be made with a common enemy to direct hate and intolerance towards than can be made with acceptance and civility. the germans, the japanese, the koreans, the civil rights people, the sexual revolution, the pro abortion rights people,then the soviets....and now the gays. Gays are the current "whipping boy" of America. It's kind of shocking actually...i thought al queda and osama and the middle east would usurp the gays in that position. but, americans and good at multi-tasking. not only are we productive in our corporations, we're productive with our hate too! yay! wonder who will be next.

That's how you should do it...america needs an enemy to focus on...and gays are just "in" right now. gays provide an invaluable resource...and we should be honored to be the ones that provide it.

sorry, i'm in a saucy mood this morning

Answer 3

There is none aside from religion. Even that one is skewed.

Religions still have freedom of religion, which allows them to discriminate against whomever they want. If they wanted they could stop marrying people who had divorces for example. So they can deny us even with legal gay marriage. I call the religious marriage holy marriage, which they can deny us.

It's a legal issue only, equality under law. No ifs ands or buts about it. I call this legal marriage, it's just the law aspect, has nothing to do with religion. Religion has no right to dictate individual's rights under government. Because if they're allowed to do it with this, next thing you know they'll ban divorce, then premarital sex will be a crime, it makes no sense.

Funny thing though, you could argue that legal gay marriage would cause a blip down the road, because gays wouldn't be allowed to divorce, as it would need to revise the divorce act. Don't believe me? It happened in Canada. Check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Canada#Same-sex_divorce_in_Canada

It's a stupid argument still, but funny.

Answer 4

Supplying an argument does not suggest that you agree with it. So in that spirit....

1) It goes against the long tradition of the term "marriage" . For hundreds of years, marriage has been between a man and a woman.

Counter-argument- Well, slavery existed for a long time, too....

2) The term "marriage" is a religious one in the first place. It is reserved for the religious and social purpose of propagating the species and raising children.

Counter-argument- Their are a lot of children who need adopting out there and gay couples can make good parents too.

3) Homesexuality is a disease/bad thing/ immoral behavior that we should not be supporting.

counter-argument. Homosexuality is not a choice. It's how God made you.

Answer 5

ROFLMAOATSTG!

Well, once I stop laughing from "abetterfate's" answer....ROFL THAT WAS GOOD!! TOO FUNNY!!

I really hate to tell you, but there are NO logically argued reasons against gay marriage.
Even the "decrease in world population" isn't a good argument because those who want children WILL.
Gays and lesbians aren't individually sterile just because they're gay. Trust me, if that were true my son wouldn't exist!
I dare you to tell my teenage son that because his mom is gay that his existence is impossible!! That would be hilarious!

The truth is the rate of gay and lesbian couples having and raising children is near to that of heterosexual opposite-gender couples. Truly!
Marriage is no a prerequisite for having children, if it were there would be NO Abortions and NO illegitimate children born out of wedlock! Sadly this is not the case and anyone who doesn't realize this is simply ignorant of facts.

There are NO arguments against Gay marriage that are not Religiously based. The issue is that too many law makers forget that not every citizen of this nation follows the same religious ideology/dogma/belief system. To make laws which reflect only one religious ideal is to deny rights to ALL citizens who do not follow that religion...and that we already know is UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND MORALLY WRONG!

So, in all actuality denying marriage rights to same-sex couples is quite simply, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Answer 6

An answer with a different twist.

We are protected by the First Amendment to associate freely with whom we choose. A marriage is a very special association that two people have. So why does gvmt even involve itself in our associations is all are right?

It wasn't until the 1920's that the federal gvmt got involved in defining marriage. This is when the income tax and later social security rules gave special recognition to people who were married.

The gvmt gives incentives to behavior that it wants to promote, and attaches punitive incentives to actions it wants to distract from. This is why we give tax breaks to people who own homes, drive fuel efficient cars, have children, and why taxes are high on products like cigarettes.

We demand that the gvmt lead our social goals, for some reason, as we are now clamoring for the gvmt to give us health care.

But why do we demand the gvmt to determine social policy then complain when they give us a policy that fits the majority? If the gvmt treats everyone as equals, lets any one establish a marriage, then why should the gvmt regulate it?

It should be up to us to establish our own idea of marriage and get the gvmt out of this business!

Answer 7

That's the worst situation!!! lol. I've been in that exact position on an abortion debate. Maybe mention that there's nothing wrong with gay relationships, but how the idea of "marriage" has a certain connotation that should not be violated.

Answer 8

Most people who argue against gay marriage are the Right Wing Moral Majority Religious Closed-Minded Bigots, so yeah, that seems to be the only arguement.
I cannot think of any reason other than what the so-called "Peaceful, Loving, non-judgemental (HA)" Christians have already said.

Oh yes, and the one who said that it would lead to the decline in population: There are over 6,000,000,000 people in the world now, we need to cut the population down in order to save the Earth. We don't need more people when they keep selfishly screwing up what we already have.

Answer 9

Sure We will be glad to help. Which culture do you want to pick that allows gay marriage? The Plains Indians of the American west understood differences and accommodated for homosexuality. There are cultures today in Afghanistan, Thailand, Islands of the south pacific, and Africa that consider Homosexual relationships acceptable.

OHHHH my gosh I forgot, they are savages and not part of a society that is acceptable in its beliefs. Sorry about that. Just another one of those judgmental things that comes from being a modern day Christian. Bigotry, hate, oh and persecution of anything that is not the way you think.

And while you are at it why not do away with the constitional rights that we all have, Freedoms they are called, Ah gee one of those is right in the preamble, "pursuit of happiness" Oh I forgot Happiness is only for Hetro white anglo's of todays Christindom.

So all the other people out there don't qualify, Oh I forgot that is being judgmental. But I thought the Bible said "Judge not lest ye be judged"

Oh I could go on but, ya know I do feel pitty for people who can't know the joy of love, of ones neighbors no manner what race, religion, national origin, sex and orientation. It is to bad that there is so much hate being spread through out the world by bullies who rule under the coat tails of religious protection provided by the same constitution.

I truly feel saddened by those that do not know that the only true happiness and freedoms are in the hearts and minds of people who love uncondtionally.

You would say you don't want it but I will give it to you anyway
Look at yourself and put yourself in a postion of being hated, spate upon, flogged, beaten and then nailed to a torture stake simply for talking about your own father because he asked you to, giving up a life of happiness at his side.

You are doing to other human beings today the same thing that the society of the first century Israelites did to Jesus. Take your religious arguement and throw it away. Jesus said Love your neighbor as your self" You can't hate your neighbor and love him and him or her and her and be a true lover of God and his Son.

Answer 10

That is the only argument. Unless "eew, gay sex, that's gross!" is an argument. Every other argument reverts to religion or bigotry, when the inevitably flawed logic and lack of substance in the various "a child needs a mommy and a daddy", "it'll cost too much", and "it'll destroy traditional marriage" rhetoric is pointed out.