"Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here"?

Question

Duhh . . . ho-kay, Boss.

The spin doctors don't think too highly of our reasoning abilities, do they?

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This premise assumes three enormous leaps of foolishness.

1. That there are a finite number of terrorists, located in finite areas, and we need to continue killing them until there are no more terrorists, bad guys, evil doers, or people who hate America.

2. That as we are displaying to the international community the very freedom they hate us for visa vies Abu Garib, Guantanimo Bay, Nation-invading, and the real hallmark of free society, fake journalism, there are not new recruitments, new terrorists, and most importantly, new anger replacing that of which we are killing off.

3. That terrorists are a card-carrying, organized breed who are all marching toward Iraq, instead of developing and training within cells from Sudan to Syracuse.

Answer 1

What can you say, the republicans are excellent at producing slogans while beating the war drums, not so hot on execution. Truth, facts and reason never got in the way before, why should it be any different now? Stay the course, we're turning the corner, they're in their last throes, mission accomplished, snafu.

Answer 2

I’m not sure whoever got the three together is coherent – hope their high school senior papers were better thought-out, but here goes:

1. There are not a finite number of terrorists. The reason to have an open conflict anywhere is to bring them into the open. They are drawn to religious conflict like moths to the light rather than just hanging around their own neighborhoods getting on the old timers grass and getting yelled at. What is more – people in the local mosques or whatever in those countries are gathering money to send them to Iraq – thus keeping this same money from funding the locals at home. So this is a plus – like shooting fish in a barrel. Its really to bad with their ambitions to do well as a terrorist that they have no honor and cannot truly fight as a man.

2. This is sort of an incoherent spill over from the 1st point. All the things you point out as negatives are again not so. Picking one at random so this discourse does not get to long…. Guantanamo Bay – this should be a good example for the world of what happens when a “fighting man” fights outside the Geneva convention which requires uniforms as a precondition to prisoner of war status. If the loser terrorists show up on the battle field and wear the uniform, they will be treated as any other prisoner of war and most would be home right now like the Iraqi army people captured in 2003. This is not a semantic question it is enforced. Do what you are supposed to or face the consequences.

3. the major reason that terrorist cells in the US have not struck is that for the most part they enjoy the freedoms afforded to most Americans. This is somewhat self predictable if you think about it rationally. No rational person wants to blow themselves up. It is the irrational person who does this. People living in the US for the most part enjoy the lifestyle – flush toilets – electricity etc…they would surely blow us up today if they thought they could get away. This is actually a good argument for the CCP in hand guns. If I saw a guy blow something up and I had a gun – he would not be going any further than he could get before my round hit his head. There would be no warning shots, no stop, etc, one shot one kill. This is generally why it has not happened on a small scale yet here in the US.

Good luck on finishing the high school paper.

Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less – Robert E Lee

Answer 3

If I get the direction you are reaching for here is the fight in the Middle East has been excused by this political statement I believe Bush may have said. Not sure.
The United States had been left vulnerable, in my opinion, for long before 9/11. I believe that any groups can once again reach our soils with all the unrest shown in our media portraying US as divided. So, we are still at risk in my eyes. Troops to back up our intent and strength as a nation needed to happen. The flip flop now that the plan is not working is typical of an election season tactic. Did military strategists expect this level of terror on the ground the brave soldiers face every day? Does not look like it. Suicide bombers are weapons of mass destruction in my book. AED's heck yea.
Look at Cho, 32 taken on a college "safe" campus.

As to your 3 points. Well written and I value your opinions. Thank you.

Answer 4

I live near Syracuse ...
*looks out window*
Nah, they aren't here, yet.
I will be sure to let you know when they show up.

The interesting part of the whole thing is that none of the polls will actually say a percentage of Americans that are actually in favor of the war efforts.. that is a number I would love to see.. sure, 60-70% say they believe we have overextended our welcome.. but that still leaves 30-40% unaccounted for. How many of them are in favor.. and how many of them are undecided? 60-20-20 maybe?

Lets ask 200000 random people from all over the country... have a multiple choice questionnaire that polls specific beliefs and how or when the resolution should come. How hard is that? Attach it as some kind of optional survey for every voter to participate at election time.
I would love to see the result.

Answer 5

Didn't you know about the terrorist gene? All we have to do is kill everyone with it and terrorism will die out forever. And they're all in Iraq, so it's so convenient. Once we kill them, the rest will be nice pacifist hummus-eating Muslims who love us for giving them democracy.

Answer 6

If everybody would ditch the stupid Hobbesism, we'd realize that if we don't fight them there, they won't want to fight us here.

Clinton's imperialistic foreign policy led to 9/11. Bush's escalation of that policy will lead to another 9/11.

Government is not the solution, government is the problem.

Answer 7

Be sure to stop by and Shake the hand of a Brave Military Person. They'd be glad to tell you like it is.

Answer 8

Refer to the question-"Did the removal of Hussein empower Al Queda?"

Answer 9

"Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" - let's see we heard that in Korea, VietNam, and by the way no one followed us home from VietNam did they???

That is just a convenient platitude that is trotted out whenever we have a war. It was probably trotted out when we invaded that little island - Grenada?? - although I never figured out why we did that so the spin machine wasn't working so well back then.

Answer 10

Well, we have some enourmously talented leaders in this country who are capable of all three of those foolish leaps AND MORE!