baseball rules pitcher save win same game?

Question

Can an MLB pitcher record a win and a save in the same game? Say they come in trailing 4-3, and then somebody on their team later hits a 2-run homer, which puts their team UP 5-4. Now, they go out and pitch the bottom of the ninth. I know that they would get the win, but can they also get a save?? i think they can only get the win in this case and they cant get both--but im just checkin

thanks!!

Answer 1

He gets a win, no save,

Answer 2

Its not possible to get both a win and a save. The winning pitcher is defined as the named pitcher when the final go-ahead run is scored. A save can only be earned by a pitcher who enters the game with the lead, and holds it until the end of the game. Specifically he must enter at the start of an inning with no more than a 3 run lead, enter the game in the middle of an inning with the tying run on deck, or pitch at least 3 innings in relief and be the pitcher that records the final out.

Answer 3

Only the win. A win gets credited to any pitcher currently in the game when their team takes the lead for good, regardless of when this occurs. If a pitcher gets credited with a win, they are not eligible for a save. A pitcher can, however, get credited with a blown save AND a win (Eg. He comes in with a 3-2 lead in the top of the ninth, let's up 2 runs. His team comes up to bat in the bottom of the inning and wins the game).

Answer 4

A pitcher cannot be credited with a W and an S in the same game. The saves rule states this explicitly:

MLB Rule 10.19 Saves For Relief Pitchers (abridged):
A save is a statistic credited to a relief pitcher...
The official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:
(b) He is not the winning pitcher...

Answer 5

I've seen it lots of times. In 1988 Mike Henneman was pitching for the Tigers against the Mariners. The Tigers were leading 5-3 in the top of the ninth and Mr. Henneman served up a three-run homer to put the Mariners ahead 6-5. The Tigers rallied in the bottom of the ninth and won 7-6. This has to be the best vultured win I've ever seen. I also saw Dennis Eckersley get a vultured win a few years ago. I Have seen next to pitching records, something like, W, BS. I don't know if Blown save is an official record or not.

Answer 6

it is definitely one or the other. If he wins it is almost always I believe a blown save and a win if the reliever comes in with a lead loses it and gets it back. In your example up top it is simply a win.
Interesting side note if a relief pitcher finishes the last 3 innings of a game regardless of the margin of the lead and doesn't lose the game he gets a save.

Answer 7

No, The same pitcher can not get a win and a save at the same time. The only thing he will get is a Win and a CG (complete game).

Answer 8

No. One of the requirements for getting a Save, is that he cannot be the Winning pitcher.

Answer 9

In baseball statistics, the term save (abbreviated SV or S) is used to indicate the successful maintenance of a lead by a relief pitcher, usually the closer, until the end of the game. A save is credited to a pitcher who fulfills the following three conditions:

The pitcher is the last pitcher in a game won by his team;
The pitcher is not the winning pitcher (for instance, if a starting pitcher throws a complete game win or, alternatively, if the pitcher gets a blown save and then his team scores a winning run while he is the pitcher of record, sometimes known as a "vulture win");
The pitcher fulfills at least one of the following three conditions:
He comes into the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one full inning.
He comes into the game with the potential tying run either on base, at bat, or on deck.
He pitches "effectively" (usually for at least three innings) after entering the game with a lead. (This rule can be contentious, as it is subject to the judgment of the official scorer.)
If the pitcher surrenders the lead at any point, he cannot get a save, but he is the winning pitcher if his team comes back to win. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

If a relief pitcher satisfies all of the criteria for a save, except he does not finish the game, he will often be credited with a hold.

Save rules have changed over the years; the above rules are taken from the Official Baseball Rules 2004.

The save is defined in Section 10.19 of Major League Baseball Official Rules. The statistic was formally introduced in 1969, although research has identified saves earned prior to that point.

A blown save (abbreviated BS or B) is charged to a pitcher who enters a game in a situation which permits him to earn a save (a 'save situation'), but who instead allows the tying run to score. Note that if the tying run was scored by a runner who was already on base when the new pitcher entered the game, that new pitcher will be charged with a blown save even though the run (and earned run) will not be charged to the new pitcher, but rather to the pitcher who allowed that runner to reach base.

If that same pitcher also allows the winning run to reach base and score, as with any other similar situation, if his team does not come back to win the game, said pitcher will be charged with both the loss and a 'blown save.' The blown save is not an officially recognized statistic, but many sources keep track of them. Blown saves have been tracked since 1988. Once a pitcher blows a save, he is no longer eligible to earn a save in that game (since the lead that he was trying to "save" has disappeared), although he can earn a win if his team regains the lead. For this reason, most closers' records include few wins. Closers make the majority of their appearances with their team ahead, so a loss usually includes a blown save.

If a pitcher enters a game in a save situation (for a team leading by three runs or fewer) in an inning which is not the last (e.g. in a regulation 9-inning home game, pitching the top of the 8th), and his team later scores one or more run(s) to extend their lead beyond three runs, then as long as the same pitcher pitches until the end of the game, he is still credited with the save. As the various roles of relief pitchers have changed since the 1960s, closers who often pitch two or more innings have become increasingly rare; although exceptions remain.

A pitcher also cannot create his own save situation. For instance, if he enters the game with a lead too large for a save, he would not make himself eligible for a save by surrendering enough runs to contract the lead to within save range. It must be a save situation when he enters the game, or he will not be able to earn one.

Answer 10

No, to get a save, the pitcher has to come in with his team in the lead (how much of a lead depends on when he comes in)

If he comes in with his team down, he cant get a save in any situation.