Do you believe there is hope for a united humanist movement?

Question

I refer to something comprised of feminism and masculism that challenges problems faced by both women and men while allowing gender roles to exist.

The younger posters on this board seem to basically support a movement that would actually stress equality and not just the supposed "oppression" of one sex while ignoring the other.

Feminism can't possibly do this by itself, and masculism simply isn't well established or united. If they work together and have a more open viewpoint, they might be able to accomplish something.

In any event, do you believe there is hope for a united humanist (feminist+masculist) movement?

You, me, Ominous (he really does support that to tell you the truth), and a few of the non-regulars I've seen.

That's who I meant by "younger."

Guess I'll throw carrie in there too :p

Also, add Henry Jo.

Since when has Warren Farrell not been a respectable intellectual?

You should read more about masculism instead of bashing it, Baba Yaga- "backlash" and "masculism" are NOT one and the same.

Answer 1

If we can increase awareness of this idea, I doubt that anyone will disagree with it. (By the way, who's "younger posters?" I thought it was only me.)

EDIT TO BABA YAGA: Sorry, but I have to agree with Robinson on this one. Masculism isn't the same as chauvinism. One promotes equality and the other promotes male superiority.

Answer 2

I don't believe it is possible.
For one of the most problematic ideas, consider reproductive issues. Feminists are most unwilling to give up their rights to abortion, which leaves men "less than" by not having any voice either way. As long as abortion on demand exists, women will retain a right in which men can never be equal. Allowing men the ability to "opt out" of a pregnancy does not help the man who wants children while his wife or partner doesn't.
Women can choose to abort a child or give birth; men cannot choose either and I don't see this changing anytime soon, if ever.
Many of the other areas dealing with the different reproductive rights women have that are denied men are simply legal ones that can be overcome but this one problem will never be solved to the point it will ever become even nearly equal or even fair to both parties.
Many state statutes will have to be changed such as one that states a man cannot abandon his wife but carry no such ban for women, but again, that is changeable sexist legal language.
No set solution(s) will ever satisfy everyone. What the majority may see as fair will be unfair to others regardless the subject.

Answer 3

Eventually, but not for a long time. Global economic parity will be required, and I can't see that happening for decades. There are too many philosophical variants which continue to exist in the cultural milieu, namely and most importantly, the religious differences of them. Each religion represented by each culture is as valuable as the next. Even if the number of the population that associates their self with the beliefs that represent their choice, is significantly greater than the religious philosophies representing those of the have the fewest members. Each belief has equal value, and those beliefs should be accepted as such.

Answer 4

Well, it really depends. Women might be all for it, especially since they want to be equal. Feminists will probably like it too, but maybe not. (The whole "woman can do it on their own without men's help" thing. I don't mean they're entirely dependent on males, by the way.) Uh, you may encounter some problems when it comes to men. First off, they won't WANT women to have equal rights. They say men are better. If you ask me, it's because they're scared they won't be more powerful than them, and lose a sense of control. But my opinion doesn't count here. Then there's the fact that certain men don't like accepting help from others, even other men. They don't want to be dependent on anyone. So, if you can convince two genders to work together and set aside their differences, then yes, it has hope. If not, sorry, but it's not likely to happen. Ever.

Answer 5

Maybe in a few years when the hate-spewing "ists" have died out. I'd like to live in a world where people were free to choose their vocations based solely on their ability and interest. It would be great if all the unpaid jobs were given as much respect as the jobs that have wages attached to them, too...and I'm not just talking about SAHMs, but all the valuable volunteer work people do in their communities, like running soup kitchens, coaching sports, etc.

Answer 6

men DO commit ninety% OF THE VIOLENCE IN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIPS. And men will be the catalysts in getting different men to regulate. Thats all that replaced into. and women human beings could get different women human beings inline and grants you a similar for abusive women human beings. As for UW getting any of my funds, NO. Why provide the 'center guy" (an extra employer) funds most suitable given to the orgs truly providing the facilities. the ten to 20% the UW takes would nicely be placed to extra effectual use.

Answer 7

YES there is hope for this, and if anyone is interested, it could start right here. Ignore the trolls and get some constructive dialog going with those who are willing to engage in it.

I'm game. Anyone else?

And masculinism and backlash are not the same thing- to me, masculinism rectifies the gender inequalities that feminism really isn't suited to deal with. It's not an attack on feminism- rather it's a complement to it. The "Yang" to feminism's "Yin".

Answer 8

Nice thought, but no.
There is already a Humanist Movement, and they are way past the kinds of drivel posted on here IE:"Who will win the war between men and women?"
Contact the nearest Unity Church for more information on Humanism.
Good luck

Answer 9

I am so for this. To eliminate all the sterotypes about how men and women are supposed to act would be a main goal. I hate people telling me to stop being emotional and my gf to give up on her career and stay home.

An egalitarien society would be ideal.

Answer 10

I'm "younger"??? OMG! Yessss! That came at the perfect time, as I was just whining at dinner that my upcoming birthday is the first one in my life that I have been dreading.

Anyway, I think we need to give this sh!t world of ours some time to let go of old stereotypes and ideologies before true equality between genders can exist - mind you, that's only in the West.

Sry for the crap answer