At what point does dissent become treason? Violation of the Logan Act?

Question

pelosi and reid have stepped far, far out on a ledge. Is this what the voters had in mind when they elected the dems. I think not, I think they wanted the dems to clean house, their own house of corruption and as yet they have done NOTHING about it.

If these two lose cannons keep going off, it is going to get real ugly. AMericans are going to demand that the Justice Department take action, and the extreme leftists are going to want a show down.

They should have studied history more, show downs as shown in the early 1860's has a heavy toll for all AMericans.

crabby - spoken like a true partisan comrade. good luck in the new world.

A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor.

reid and pelosi are right there on the edge. of course most of you socialists below are already past that point.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

The key phrase in the act she violated is "with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer"

There is only one conclusion to be drawn from that.

Answer 1

The very minute Pulosi sat foot on American soil she should have been placed under arrest and jailed for her violation of the Logan Act during her trip to the Middle East... OHMYGOSH!!! I forgot!!! We have a government now that refuses to enforce our laws!! We have become a nation of men and women... not laws!! That's also why our illustrious leaders in both the White House and on Capitol Hill REFUSE to enfource our immigration laws and ignore our Bill of Rights! May the good Lord protect us from our do nothing leaders!! Border fence?? HAHAHA! Do you actually believe our government will actually ALLOW such a thing to be built??? If they do, it'll be made of chicken wire and balsa wood!

Answer 2

rmadgedon,
Dissenters are people who disagree with what the government is doing (or how they are doing it). They are protected by the constitution and have the right to assemble (peacefully) and voice their opinion to anyone that will listen.

Treason, on the other hand, is quite different. Basically it applies to someone that betrays their country in some material way. Generally, it is something that is done quite clandestinely (behind everyones' back). If Pelosi and Reid were selling (or giving) military secrets to our enemies, that would qualify as treason. If they were aiding the cause of our enemies in some material way, that would qualify.

If they are over there somewhere meeting with foreign heads of state, that doesn't make them traitors (as long as they are not aiding the enemy). In other words they would have to be doing something very destructive to our way of life before you could call it treason.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but back in the sixties a well known actress by the name of Jane Fonda went to Hanoi in North Viet Nam (the country we were at war with and that killed over 50,000 Americans). While she was there she made radio broadcasts to American pilots asking them not to fly their missions. She never faced any legal action for that behavior, so how could Pelosi and Reid be in any hot water. It seems that wealthy or powerful people aren't held accountable for their behavior. By the way, Jane recently was interviewed on TV and admitted that she "shouldn't have done that".

Answer 3

There appears a touch large false impression as to how the structure favourite this Republic. we are a Republic of fifty states with a representive authorities. each and each state is responsible for sending to Congress their own unique representatives. those persons have a tendency to take a large ranging view in overseas coverage and each thing else. The President is unique in that a unmarried man or woman a representative of the full Republic is personified. As such, this man or woman is uniquely elected. they don't seem depending upon the outcome of a unmarried election, no longer on the outcome of a few densely populated cities in some nicely populated states, yet on the outcome of fifty separate elections. The winner of lots of the state elections is thusly judged to be the man of determination between the member states of the Republic. overseas coverage isn't now or has ever been most suitable carried out via a fractious deliberative legislative body and is forbidden contained in the structure. overseas coverage of the Republic is vested contained in the in straightforward words authentic representative of the full Republic, the President of the USA. The identify says all of it. on condition that Obama has yet to win any huge open state election for the workplace he's searching for, the winner of one unmarried election in a unmarried state does no longer have the authority to talk for the Republic. If even as on overseas soil he has stated what he ought to do, then he has basically stated what any civilian ought to assert interior a similar circumstances. even if, if he stated what the USA of a ought to do, he has overstepped his authority because we've not given him the authority to talk for the Republic. Is he in violation of the Logan Act? possibly so, yet i'd not anticipate the present Justice Dept to open an study 4 months from the election. no matter if justified, it ought to actual be attacked as partisan in nature.

Answer 4

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority. However, there is no record of any prosecutions or convictions under the Logan Act
You would first have to define "unauthorized" you meet your needs. The republicans obviously can't get it done, why not let the democrats have a chance.

Answer 5

Dissent is what this country was built on. Americans have a duty to speak up and speak out against the treasonous activities the Republicans have been up to for the last 6 years at least. Bush and Cheney should be impeached, many of their actions are treasonous; and Yes, this is exactly what we elected the Democrats to do.
Freedom comes along with dissent. Without dissent there is no liberty. I hope they keep going off, and the explosions need to be alot bigger.

Answer 6

Check the polls. Bush's current Iraq policy is supported by maybe 20% of the public. If anything, Pelosi and Reid are being a lot more timid than would be warranted by what the people elected them to do.

I remember the 1960's, civil rights, Vietnam, and all of that. At that time the country was truly divided down the middle and people were marching in the streets. There was a lot of violence and fear. Today is different. Now we have a president who is completely isolated, and whose policies are opposed by the vast majority of the people, who are just counting the days until he leaves office. That is a lot different from a showdown.

Answer 7

As defined in the United States Constitution, treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. No person shall be convicted of treason except on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or upon confession in open court. Congress has the power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood or forfeiture of estate except during the life of the person attainted.

Answer 8

The Democrats are pathetic. They have hinged their political future on US defeat in Iraq. They have presented nothing else. The Republicans have waged this war poorly. Too few troops for an occupation meant cleaning out an area then leaving only to have insurgents fill in the void. Now, 4 years later we are addressing this glaring blunder. However, we haven't addressed the worst of the political blunders of this war.I refer to rules of engagement that hog tie our military. So, as you can see both sides are guilty of being idiots.

Answer 9

I agree that they Pelosi and Reid's feet should be held to the fire. What kind of message did these traders send to the idiots of the world that just can't wait to push the nuke button. They already planning an attack on Brittan when Tony Blair steps down. Get ready we are next.

Answer 10

YOU should've studied more! The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.