Who gets the loss and who gets the no decision in this situation and why?

Question

First pitcher pitches 3 innings and gives up 9 runs. The score is 9-2 when he leaves the game.
Second pitcher gives up 5 more runs in the 4th inning and zero in the fifth and sixth, meanwhile, his team scored 7 times in the 5th inning. Making the final score 14-9.
I heard a parent (of 1st pitcher) say that since his kid was taken out after giving up 9 runs, he is not the losing pitcher since his team scored 9 runs.
I say, if you are the pitcher of record and your team is losing when you are replaced, you always get the loss unless your team ties up the game at some point or takes the lead.

Answer 1

Unless his team ever tied the game up, the first pitcher would get the loss. You are right.

Answer 2

First pitcher gets the loss. He left and his team was still down by seven runs. Had the second pitcher not giving up those 5 runs, and pitched three shutout innings, and his team then scored 7 times to tie it at 9, then the first pitcher would get a no decision while the second pitcher would have a chance to win the game had his team took the lead and held onto it. The first pitcher in this situation, however, gets the loss.

Answer 3

The pitcher who gives up the lead, from which the losing term never recovers.
You are correct.
You can pitch 8 innings and leave, losing 1-0. The reliever can give up 6 runs in the ninth.and then your team scores 2 in the bottom of the 9th.
You still lose.

Answer 4

you are correct. you have to pitch at least 5 innings to get a win, but any amount of innings - even if you have not recorded an out - can get you a loss if you pitch badly enough. if you allow more runs than your team scores in a game you obviously lose. if you allow any amount of runs and your team never ties the game or takes the lead, you lose. it is not possible to win a game like you have stated because he did not pitch 5 innings...however, if he did and lets say it was 9-2 when he left but his team rallied in the bottom half of that inning and was leading 10-9 after...then he would be the winner if they kept the lead.

Answer 5

Yeah, the starter takes the L. A potential losing pitcher only gets "off the hook" if his team ties the score -- the lead must be relinquished.

MLB Rule 10.17(d):
A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish.

Rule 10.17(d) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the losing pitcher is concerned.

Answer 6

If Team A never regains the lead, then the pitcher who gave Team B their first lead gets the loss. In your example, the first pitcher would get the loss because his team never overcame the run deficit he put them in. If his team had scored those 7 runs in the 4th and the second pitcher allowed 5 in the fifth, then he would get the loss.

Answer 7

You are correct. Unless the team ties up the score the first pitcher would be given the loss.

Answer 8

You;re right; it's the first pitcher. If a pitcher leaves the game behind in the score, he can only be taken off the hook for the loss if his team ties the score. The thing is, he's the one who put his team so far behind that they simply can't catch up.

It's 10.17 of the rulebook. And its NOT HOCKEY (which is where that erroneous idea came from).

Answer 9

The pitcher who gives up the initial runs that allows the other team to take the lead

Answer 10

If the team ever tied the score than the no dec would go to the first pitcher, but because he allowed 9 and they got 9 is...........A_S_Sanine.