I was just kicked out of a Middle East Relations class because I refused to agree with the professor that we shouldn't be in Iraq. He also gave me a C on my last essay because I support the 2nd Amendment. (Keep in mind that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who supported gun control got an A....I know because the grades were posted.) I tried to lodge a complaint with the Dean of the department, but apparantley the professor has tenure and has the Dean in his pocket. He told me I might want to consider "playing the game" if it means getting into law school in August. I said "sorry, some things are more important than grades."
2007-04-23 07:20:14 · 27 answers · asked by suzyq 3 in Politics & Government ➔ Politics
Didn't get kicked out of the class permanently...just for the day. Sorry for the confusion. The conservatives get kicked out every time we try to discuss our point of view. I just found out that 7 others taking this course have lodged a complaint also.
2007-04-23 07:32:24 · update #1
I do have a chip on my shoulder, but as far as my behavior goes I was not in any way disrespectful. I simply kept asking him about conterarguments to his perspective and he wouldn't tolerate it. Maybe I did deserve a C on the essay, but I (and others who refuse to be indoctrinated) don't deserve being dismissed from a lecture simply because we want to see both sides of an argument.
2007-04-23 07:40:21 · update #2
Those are exactly the kinds of college professors I used to love to bust. We had a lot of them in my town and they did stuff like this to a lot of people. During the Vietnam conflict all a student had to do to get a failing grade was say something nice about the USA.
It was a whole different situation when I caught a Volvoload of profs. passing a doobie around one day.
2007-04-23 08:04:26 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
This guy is obviously a jerk -- however, it doesn't mean all liberal professors are like him and also, I wonder exactly what was the behavior that got you kicked out of class? you do seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. And did you get the C because of the positon you took or perhaps the paper wasn't well written or your arguements weren't compelling -- the meaning of the second ammedndment is debatable but it cleary is not a blank check for the right to bear arms as that right is conditional on the need for "a well regulated militia". It does not say "Congress shall make no law" restricting the right of the people to bears arms " as the first amendment does regarding speech....
PS Michael gave you good advice about presenting both sides of the an arguement in a paper. I would think an A paper would present both sides of the arguement to show understanding. You seem to think in black and white terms -- I wonder what arguements you used in defense of the Iraq war? If your are accusing people of being traitors or terrorists for being against the war like some on YA answers, I would probably through you out of class too.
2007-04-23 07:35:38 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Suzy, as usual you have become a victim of the Liberal Institutions known as Universities. Here, the far left has a chance to push their socialist liberal agenda to the 18 year old kids that have little knowledge. This is what they do and what they have done for years.
When I was in college, I had rough times in a few classes as well do to my Traditionalist Conservative views and opinions. Two that really stand out were this:
In a "Modern Social Problems" course, my hippie, Birkenstock professor tried to convince everyone what loving and sweet people rapist are once the are rehabilitated in prison and served their debt to society. I fought her tooth and nail. She called me closed minded and ill informed. Then, to prove her point, she scheduled a convicted sex offender to speak to the class. I was so mad I went to the Dean Of Students and filed an official complaint.
The result? I was allowed not to attend the class that day with no penalty on that assignment. But, still, the other students were exposed to that waste of flesh.
Second, In a "Public Speaking & Debate", the loon professor spent most everyday preaching the benefits of civil disobedience and advocated rioting to rise against the evil leaders of this country great land! He was insane! Another complaint. I was allowed to drop the class and sign up for another with out penalty. But, he was allowed to continue his hate filled speech.
So, bottom line... Never, ever cave to their lies!
2007-04-23 08:12:44 · answer #3 · answered by Dog Lover 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
As sad as it is... Higher education for a lot of colleges means liberal education. It's amazing how our colleges are no longer a forum for ideas. Also, you pay to "play" this time. Tenure should be done away with. Unfortunately you either need to find a school that actually is non-biased or play their game or make enough noise about it to various media outlets that you effectively make change. I would consider a lawsuit if I were you. The case wouldn't be hard to make. I applaud you for standing up for what you believe in. Don't play their game, they constantly cheat.
2007-04-23 07:28:21 · answer #4 · answered by Mr. Perfect 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You may be right. But is it likely that this will be the deciding factor between getting into law school? If it isn't, don't stress out over it.
If it is - take the class over, with a different prof, or apply to a conservative law school, and show them your essay and work from this class as proof that you're a good fit with their philosophy, and won't compromise your beliefs just to get a grade.
2007-04-23 07:26:58 · answer #5 · answered by Ralfcoder 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Some things are more important but...so is your college career. Think of it as writing as a devils advocate, just an exercise in seeing the opposing side. As a lawyer you'll be needing to do this off and on anyway.
As long as you stay true to yourself you'll be fine. Colleges are bed of long lived hippie liberals hiding from the realities of life, it's inescapable.
2007-04-23 07:33:57 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
I agree wholeheartedly, Suzy--principles are more important than grades. However, you're in a rather captive audience situation. Consider for a moment the devil's advocate perspective--"when in Rome, do as the Romans do". Play their inane game, parrot their buffoonery, make your grades, earn your degree, get yourself out from under their libtard jackboot, make your dream and life in spite of them.
2007-04-23 07:33:54 · answer #7 · answered by Trollbuster 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
What did you say in your essay about the 2nd amendment? If your argument supporting it did not examine the meaning of a "well regulated militia" and how that affects how the amendment is interpreted, then the essay would be incomplete. In that case a C would be appropriate. Obviously I haven't seen the essay so I can't give you an informed opinion.
2007-04-23 07:26:51 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
There's a big problem with only hearing one side of a story. Don't you know that taking on a professor isn't a real smart thing to do? If you don't know it yet, you should be learning it now. It may not be your refusal to agree with him about Iraq, it may be your mouthing off about it in his class. Who knows? Like I said, one side of the story doesn't cut it. As someone who has lots of experience with college, take my advice - let it go. When you reach the level of education that they have then you can run your own mouth about your likes and dislikes and not suffer any consequences. Fair? No, probably not. But it's reality.
2007-04-23 07:28:58 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 2⤋
No it extremely is ridiculous there's a miles extra useful risk he replaced into prompted via conservatives because of the fact they are regularly very offended and irrational, pointing hands and blaming, paranoid and out of touch, such as you in case you actual think of Obama is a Marxist.
2016-10-28 18:48:44 · answer #10 · answered by staves 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋