Another mass shooting in the USA. Should the citizens of ANY country have the "right" to own guns???

Question

Seems to me like 33 people are dead because of one man's "right".

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I find it too funny that every argument you make in favour of guns comes from the 18th century when guns shot metal balls at a distance of about 100 years, had no accuracy and took 5 minutes to load.

Answer 1

Well what if everyone had a gun. you think he would have been able to shoot 33 people if every one around him had a gun?

Answer 2

These were the guns Thomas Jefferson had in mind.

The 18th century musket, as typified by the Brown Bess, was loaded and fired in the following way:-

Upon the command "Prime and load". The soldier would make a quarter turn to the right at the same time bringing the musket to the priming position, the pan is opened.

Upon the command "Handle Cartridge". The soldier would draw a cartridge. Cartridges consisted of a spherical lead bullet wrapped in a paper cartridge which also held the gunpowder propellant. The bullet was separated from the powder charge by a twist in the paper.

The soldier then bit off the top of the cartridge, with the bullet, and held the bullet in his teeth/mouth.

Upon the command "Prime". The soldier then pulled the dogshead back to half-****, flipped the frizzen up, and poured a small pinch of the powder from the cartridge into the priming pan. He then closed the frizzen so that the priming powder was trapped.

Upon the command "About". The butt of the musket was then dropped to the ground and the soldier poured the rest of the powder into the barrel. Once all of the powder was poured into the barrel, the soldier spat the musket ball into the barrel. Finally, the soldier would cram the rest of the paper into the barrel to serve as wadding keeping the powder and ball from rolling out of the barrel.

Upon the command "Draw ramrods". The soldier drew his ramrod from below the barrel. First forcing it half out before seizing it backhanded in the middle, followed by drawing it entirely out simultaneously turning it to the front and placing it one inch into the barrel

Upon the command "Ram down the cartridge". He then used the ramrod to firmly ram the wadding, bullet, and powder down to the bottom followed by tamping it down with two quick strokes. The ramrod was then returned to its hoops under the barrel.

Upon the command "Present". The butt was brought back up to the shoulder. The soldier pulled the **** back and the musket was ready to fire, which he would do on hearing the command "Fire".

Answer 3

Not No but "Hell no" that is a right for the american people this guy was here on a Visa from Korea! And he didn't buy the guns legally anyway, my point on more gun control it will never work the killers will always be able to get weapons if we had laws like Texas in all 50 states we would be safer and maybe some of these Idiots would think twice before killing someone although in this case it wouldn't matter he had No regard for human life not even his own!

Answer 4

It's just like lowering polution by raising gas prices; any president removing the average Joe's right to bear arms would be comitting political suicide.

"We are all slaves of the law that we might be free." - Cicero

Edit: Patrick M: Do you think everyone running around with guns would be a good idea? No, seriously. Think about it. I'll let you ponder that on your own.

Edit 2: Dear... Pretty much everyone. Normal citizens don't have guns here in Norway. And when was the last time people were massacred in the way they were at Virginia Tech? Err... As far as I know... OH RIGHT... World War II. Which wasn't really our fault. That was more than sixty years ago, thank god. I rest my case. Good fight, good night.

Answer 5

It is the second amendment of the US constitution that we, as citizens of the United States HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.,granted that this amendment has been changed over time,as have most of the original amendments, I think that if one would look at WHO is holding the gun,we might see that there certainly will be more regulations and amendments on this particular issue,and well there should be, but to remove this right from any and all citizens (look up the definition of the word - citizen) would undoubtedly prove even more heinous of a mass shooting than we could imagine.If more citizens actually would feel compassion and concern for each human being we would never have had to worry about our rights to begin with. Sincerely...

Answer 6

Americans do not, in fact, "defend the gun". Rather, they defend their RIGHT to own a gun. There are millions of Americans who do not own guns, would never own a gun, and have never fired a gun, but still wish to protect the right for others to do so. Yes, the 2nd amendment was written in the late 18th century during a time when there were no handguns and the like.

However, we, as Americans, do not take disregarding amendments to the constitution lightly. the Bill of Rights (of which the 2nd amendment is part, in addition to the 1st amendment which guarantees the right of religion and the freedom of speech) is the people's guarantee of rights upon which the American government cannot tread. The government cannot violate a person's right to speak freely, assemble peaceably, etc. The government must provide an attorney to those peoples who are accused of a crime, as per the 6th amendment. If the 2nd amendment were to be repealed, the door would be opened so that other rights of the American people which are safeguarded in the Bill of Rights might be taken away as well.

For example, if the 2nd amendment were repealed on the grounds that it is "outdated" and that "the founding fathers never intended for Americans to possess handguns, etc", then one might argue that the founding fathers never intended that Americans should use their right of free speech to speak out against the government's use of the military. They could argue that an American speaking out against the government's use of the military is tool used by the enemy to bolster their own campaign. Alternatively, the government might argue that the founding fathers intended that only the federal government is barred from installing a national religion, but that the states might promote their own religious beliefs, and impose them thusly on their citizens.

As I said, guns themselves are not the thing which we defend. We defend the liberties, as set forth under the 2nd amendment, to own a gun. We protect the Bill of Rights, without which we would not have any guranatees of liberty. If one amendment can be tossed out for being "outdated", then the door is opened to toss out any and/or all of the Amendements that the government sees fit. This, we, as Americans, cannot tolerate.

Answer 7

I live near Virginia Tech. The shooter bought the gun in Roanoke legally a week ago and filed off the serial numbers. He has lived in Centerville, VA ever since he was 8 years old. I doubt that he was on a visa for that long. The news said that his guns were bought legally. He was a loner and he had psychological problems. He was taking anti-depressant medicine. That stuff messes with your brain and produces different results in each person depending upon the person's own chemical make-up. This has been known to cause suicidal tendencies in some people

Answer 8

America need to take a leaf out of Australias gun laws. When that loony Martin Bryant went postal and kiled 36 people in Tasmania, Austrlia practically went Gestapo on gun laws....Americans say that gun ownership ensures safety. Well is this is true, statistically, americans should have the lowest gun fatality rate in the world.....hrmm

Answer 9

for trigunman i live in spain in here there are criminals, who , i supposed have access to black markets...in here the last episode i remember of a massive killing was more than 15 years ago in a very little town, a crazy man with a hunting rifle who killed 10 people.
For patrick if everyone would have had a gun maybe more than 33 people would be dead, imagine everyone shooting.
i cannot understand americans attitude towards guns...
remeber the holocaust???? what does the holocaust have to do with that??? are people really that insane???

Answer 10

The Right to Bear Arms
In a nation governed by the people themselves, the possession of arms to defend their nation against usurpers within and without was deemed absolutely necessary. This right was protected by the 2nd Amendment.

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
--Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. ME 9:341

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.

"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

Answer 11

The VA Tech massacare is the result of a failed liberal experiment.

The school president ridded the school of armed security guards and told the concealed carry license holders that they would be expelled if they exercised their 2nd Amendment right.

He then declared a "gun free zone" aka (shoot the sitting ducks zone).

Not sure if you have noticed it yet Einstein but we are at war with Islam. VA Tech got lucky it was only 1 maniac with a hand gun and not 10 islamo-nuts with shotguns and autos. You have got to ask yourself why we have no armed and armored security guards in this time of war and terrorism.

Should the president of the schol be charged with criminal neglect for failing to provide adquate safety to his students?

I think so.