Cons. If you can't trust scientists on science, then who can you trust?

Question

All the well established scientific organizations (each which represent hundreds if not thousands of scientists) have gone public in support for man made global warming.

You cons see the scientific consensus and what do you say?

It's all just a vast socialist conspiracy. Organizations like NASA, the National Academy of Science, the American Meteorological Assocation, etc, etc, are all apparently socialist and want capitalism to fail. Either that or they're just after the global warming money.

If you can't trust scientists on science, who are you going to trust on scientific issues?

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I'M GOING TO COMPILE A LIST OF SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS IN SUPPORT OF MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING JUST TO PROVE HOW RIDICULOUS CON ARGUMENTS ARE.

EXAMPLE 1:

The American Meteorology Assocation, a PRIVATE professional group of about 11,000 meteorology professionals founded way back in 1919.

New AMS Statement on Climate Change: Climate is Changing; Humans Play a Role

AMS LINK

http://www.ametsoc.org/amsnews/newsreleases.html

stupidcat,

You're an example of what I'm talking about. Notice how you didn't answer the question. You don't believe scientists because you claim they lie just to go after the grant money.

Well, the American Meteorology Society is a PRIVATE professional group of meteorolgists. Every profession has its own professional organization. Aerospace Engineers have AIAA. Mecanical Engineers have ASME. Meteorology has AMS.

They are funded by member dues.

Wolfpack,

Scientists were not saying the earth was flat. Modern science was created during the Enlightenment period with such people as Galileo, Kepler, Tycho, and Newton.

Back then it was the CATHOLIC CHURCH that was saying the universe revolved around the Earth. Even the fundies from back then were not stupid enough to believe the earth was flat. People figured that out much much earlier.

Wolfpack,

Scientists don't have thermometer records, but they do have ice core data going back atleast 1 million years. Using that data they are able to calculate past warming and cooling trends and compare them to todays. They have done so and concluded the warming is happening to fast to explain by natural causes alone.

Answer 1

"Ignorance is strength"

Answer 2

I will believe the scientists when they provide proof of what they claim. So far their best proof is that a large group got together and stated it is very likely that the cause is man made. Of course there were a large amount of scientists that quit the UN Commission on Climate Change as a protest over the methodology, findings and wording of the report that were still credited as being on the commission. Don't their opinions and finding count since they were part of the Commission? There are many more well respected scientists that credibly deny the findings of the UN Commission. Consensus does not equal proof. And quite a bit of the science the UN Commission used to come the their consensus would not pass muster in other arenas. The data sets and methodology are not even close to being good enough if they were trying to get a new drug approved or develop a new medical procedure. So why is it OK to follow a group that is not even sure that what they are saying is a fact and institute knee jerk reactions to try to solve a problem that may or may not exist and will cause harm to those economies that institute these suggested changes?

Answer 3

It is not the scientist that I distrust but the motivation (a.k.a. the money) behind the research that he is doing which influences the paycheck that scientist will receive.

You are also mistaken about the organizations which support man-made global warming. The American Meteorological Assoc. is not in consensus about global-warming. A few high-ranking officials within the AMA have stated that the conclusion that man is the cause for global-warming should be consider closed. They have even gone so far as to threaten any meteorologist who disagree with the liberal line of reasoning with removal of credentials and licensure as a meteorologist.

Why is it that the media never discusses the tens of thousands of scientists and meteorologists who have signed petitions denouncing man-made global warming? Why is it that there is no government grants for research into non-man-made global warming research? Why are there no public discussions about warming affects that cause more increases than man could ever create (eg. changes in solar activities, documented cycles of warming and cooling trends that include time periods prior to all of the causes for man-made global-warming)?

Answer 4

If the scientists could agree or even show proof. Science is not by consensus. Scientist all agreed the world was flat - pictures from space prove otherwise.
Proof is not Pelsoi saying for 850 million years this is the
warmest. No one had a thermostat 850 million years ago, so quotes like that make me doubt all of it.

Answer 5

Trust no one.

Everyone brings their personal bias to everything, scientist or not. It is a fact of human nature. Any person can find evidence to support both sides of any issue if they dig deep enough.

The fact is most people don't deny the existence of climate change, they simply question the extent to which man has contributed and the amount of change that has actually occurred and the effect which no one knows for sure.

If you tell me that in just over 100 years of human industrialization, we have destroyed the planet, then my response is simply the ecosystem is too fragile to support mankind and we should be exterminated anyway.

Answer 6

Trust no one when there is huge amounts of money involved. You mean the same scientists who tell us one week that this will kill us then turn around and reverse themselves a week later. The same group of scientists that were predicting an ice age in the 70's? Think for yourself for a change and don't live your life by what some egghead needing research funding tells you.

Answer 7

They trust industrialists who have to spend money to clean up their messes. They trust industrialists who want to milk this planet for everything it is worth and not restore anything because of their greed. They trust industrialists who tell them that pollution is okay as long as they do only a little of it. Of course thousands of just a littles makes one heck of a lot of pollution. Wait until green industry becomes very popular and then we'll hear them sing a different tune. They will say "I knew it all the time but was waiting for costs to come down before I invested". Yeah right!

Answer 8

Yes. What Bull.
Many, if not Most Scientists, say that Global Warming caused by humans, is a HOAX.
It's all about Money & Power, honey.
They are making millions from the gullible & ignorant who are falling for the Global Warming Hoax.
Does Gore & Babs ride around on biclycles? NO!!!!!
Do the Believers ride bicycles? NO!!!

Answer 9

I think they don't want to let on to global warming because they don't want the economy to take a nose dive. They talk amongst themselves about this. They want to contain the panic that could be created. Of course it is the wrong thing to do. And if they don't want to ever admit to global warming, then that is a moral issue that they will have to take to their grave.

Answer 10

I'm just not as arrogant as you lib. I don't think I can have such enormous effects on something as complicated as our climate. Must be intoxicating to be that vain.

Answer 11

Doctor Frist.