Can you see past your hatred of GWB to see the war objectively?

Question

In this article, Amir Taheri points out the folly of shaking hands with barbarians:

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=94973&d=14&m=4&y=2007

This is an opportune moment to point out that plans to talk to Iran and Syria or find a purely political solution to the campaign in Iraq are, well, stupid - plans which take no thought to what is acually happening or the sort of people ranged against us.

You can blame us for it - you can say if only the United States had done it differently in the past, they wouldn't hate us today.

You can blame President Bush for it - you can say that if he hadn't been such a Chimpy McSmirk BusHitler, they wouldn't hate us today.

You can blame anyone or anything you like - and it doesn't matter in the least: they hate us, and they want us all dead or enslaved. Period.

They might be slowed down; they might be deflected temporarily; they might get caught up in an internecine battle about the best way to kill us - but they will not quit. People who have managed to talk themselves in to believing that God wants them to commit horrifically immoral acts are not people who will be deterred. They can be killed and they can be captured and they can lose their pool of new recruits due to reform in the Moslem world - and that is the only thing we can do with them, kill or capture.

This is not a war of choice, and it is not a war between reasonable people we can deal with - it is a war forced upon us by very unreasonable people.

Answer 1

This war may be at an inopportune time.....but these people have been doing this throughout the world since I can remember.

At one point, the freedom loving people of the world have just got to realize "enough is enough".

Yes...thrusting democracy on people who can't or don't want to understand it may not be the ideal situation.

But religiously controlled governments who rule by religion first is most likely bound to fail.

There must be a happy medium found and established....and you cannot include people who are hell-bent on world destruction based on religious beliefs.

Jealousy or misinformation is VERY powerful. But even more powerful is the belief that the Western ideals are being forced upon them.

And they will continue to fight back!

Answer 2

The Iraq war was a choice made by President Bush, like it or not. Iraq did not fund nor did they participate in the attack on us.
Now that being said, Imperialism which this President is exporting under the guise of Democracy is seen as a farce. Imperialism is the policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations, countries, or colonies.
You cannot cram democracy down the throat of someone who did not ask for it. This is what was done by this President. He himself when he ran as candidate Bush in 2000 made the statement about " needing an exit strategy when we go to war" He had none. Piss poor planning.
Thousands of people have died as a result of his boneheadness. This does not make friends. We are seen as occupiers yet again.
The main reasoning used by Al Qaeda for the attacks on the US were The Occupation (as it was seen by Muslims) of Saudi Arabia with the erection of the "permanent bases" on sacred soil after "Gulf War1"
In the Middle East, Shi'ites and Sunnis have been at "war" since 634 A.D. Why did this twit think he could resolve a conflict that is over a millenia old? Therein lies the problem, he did not think. The cowboy/jackboot attitude has not and will not bode well for solving the pre-emptive war he started.
Whether we like it or not, we HAVE to find a way to engage the countries surrounding Iraq and impress upon them the importance of stability for them. However, remember our track record for supporting "democracy in the region is abyssmal. President Bush cited Lebanon, a country that wanted democracy and fostered it from within in spite of outside interference. There was no support from the US.
When Iran was a democracy, the US did not "like" the democracy that existed because it meant that there was going to be limitations on how the US would treat the resources of the country. So, the US along with the UK in 1953 with the assistance of the CIA (Operation Ajax) destroyed it. As they say, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. The disaster that is now the so called" democratization of Iraq" just reminds the countries of the region just what the US has done in the past which is why they have not lifted a finger to help. Unless, we get new leadership that can demonstrate a change, Iraq will continue to "go to hell in a handbasket"

Answer 3

That's like asking "can you see past your hatred of cheese to see fondue objectively?"

In this case, this "war" and this president are one and the same thing; one would not have existed without the other.

Google all the articles to the contrary you like, but the fact remains that the west has tried to subjugate this spit of sand since Alexander the Great. He, along with Rome, the Crusades, the British Empire and now the United States have all failed.

And apart from the obvious religious zealots who have been killing one another since time uncharted over minor differences in their interpretation of their sundry "holy" books, the most "unreasonable people" in this equation are (or were, lol) all top members of a now fully discredited administration.

Answer 4

Do you think that George Bush can admit that he has failed at winning the war in Iraq? By the way, have you heard that much of the Iraqi parliament is stepping down cause they realize Gw is a failure and that the future of Iraq should be in the hands of the Iraqis? George Bush is the whipping horse cause he is the jackass who said that Iraq had wmds and that we can easily go over there and set up a new government

Answer 5

Here's the problem. If you have one or two bad guys standing in a crowd of people, it's ill advised to mow the crowd down with a machine gun.
Invading Iraq was a huge blunder. It served no purpose in helping us defeat the people who are creating terror around the world.
It would have made more sense to establish an international force that focused on identifying the leaders, then capture or eliminate them quietly.

Answer 6

I do not hate Pres. Bush, or anyone else for that matter.
So, looking past that.
Yes! I object to this action in Iraq.

Answer 7

The war was forced on us by the most unreasonable person ever, bush.
I see it very objectively, it is the main cause for my dislike and disrespect of the chimp.

Answer 8

They see us as infidels on sacred land. All they want is us off their land. Do you think that is too much for them to ask? Suppose they were trying the same thing here. Would you want them to occupy us? Of course you don't. Why should it be any different for them?