Should Mbeki be forced to end his policy of 'quiet diplomacy' when it comes to Zimbabwe and can South Africa choke the Zimbabwean economy into submission?
2007-04-16 01:03:42 · 9 answers · asked by Porgie 7 in Travel ➔ Africa & Middle East ➔ South Africa
No the key lies in the hands of the CIA and/or MI6 and their willingness to force Mbeki into withdrawing support for Mugabe. It doesnt look good as Bush has too many other problems on his hands and Blair is on the way out. Zimbabwe presents no strategic threat to either so expect Mbeki's "quiet aquiescence" to continue. The ANC and Zanu PF are one and the same thing both politically and ideologically and South Africans should be very worried for their future which is being enacted to the North of them. Look at some of the facts:
In 2003 on a visit to Africa President Bush empowered Mbeki to resolve the Zimbabwe dilemma tolerating his " African solutions to African problems." The situation has deteriorated badly since giving credence to the belief that Africans are unable to solve their own problems as has been witnessed on the Continent for the last 50 years.
Also in 2003 at a London presentation to potential British investors in South Africa Mbeki denounced Morgan Tsvangaraai as a puppet of White businessmen. He got a bad reaction but nevertheless his position on Zimbabwe was stated.
In 2006 after being beaten by Mugabe's thugs Roy Bennett, an MDC member, sought political refugee status in South Africa which was turned down.
These are small but valid examples of the ANC position on Zimbabwe and South Africans need to be more concerned about Zimbabwe as they may well be watching their own future in 15-20 years.
Mbeki is a dishonest broker who lacks credibility in the West on many issues, Zimbabwe included and left to his own devices nothing will change in Zimbabwe.Only if the US or UK pressurise Mbeki, which make no mistake they have sufficient leverage to do, will anything positive happen but my feeling is that Zimbabwe is of little relevance to either as it presents no strategic threat and they will remain on the fringes.
2007-04-16 08:32:45 · answer #1 · answered by ? 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Okay Porgie, very good question but the thing is
1. - South Africa has been handed that stalemate on a plate and they will do nothing - Mbeki has never done anything (and has always had influence), why should we expect him to do anything now?
2. - Zimbabwe has no economy to speak of that could be choked into submission. Zimbabwe is currently a dictatorship run by a moron who has already destroyed 3/4 of it and will do so with the rest soon now, why do you think there are so many of their population in SA?
2007-04-16 01:11:55 · answer #2 · answered by london.oval 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
South Africa holds the key to whether Mugabe stands or falls. The reason he is surviving is because of Thabo Mbeki's support. No other figure has as much influence over Mugabe as Thabo Mbeki. Loans for fuel, electricity and food, and the ability to hurt the private business interests of leading Zanu-PF officials, are just some of the trump cards Mbeki holds. If Mbeki withholds these and other aid to Zimbabwe, it could help turn the situation in Zimbabwe.
2007-04-16 03:11:23 · answer #3 · answered by Ni Ten Ichi Ryu 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
No, the people of Zimbabwe need to rise up against their dictator and his cronies. South Africa should be actively working to topple Mugabe, as should all other countries. His days are numbered either way.
2007-04-16 04:58:29 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
How unhappy. Zimbabwe grew to become into as quickly as frequently happening because of the fact the breadbasket of Africa and grew to become right into a internet exporter of food, until eventually socialist hero Robert Mugabe took the farmland from evil, white, enormously-experienced farmers and "unfold the wealth" by using giving the farmland to unskilled human beings. Zimbabwe now needs to import food to maintain from ravenous. Spreading the wealth, certainly. the place else have I heard that form of rhetoric those days?
2016-12-29 15:46:07 · answer #5 · answered by madson 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This is a tough one.
By doing more damage to that economy is not going to help anyone especially the people on the ground.
We just need those guy to recognize each other and get them to sit around the table talk.
The thing is we must not go there threatening Mugabe because that's not going to work.
South Africa needs to find a way in which we can control that guy(Mugabe) let him think he is in crontrol where as he is not.
2007-04-16 04:10:44 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
Hahaha, Porgie. Who should "force" him? .. and what is "quiet diplomacy"?
But I disapprove of people who tag you a "denialist". I can 't find any denial in your question. Whether you have in the past disagreed with their statements is not at issue here. They must answer the question, if they have answers. I believe that would be fair!
2007-04-16 20:52:24 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Porgie, when are you and the other denialists going to wake up?
Mbeki AGREES with Mugabe's policies. Make no mistake, buddy, the same fate awaits all of you.
Sorry.
2007-04-16 07:45:00 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
well done brad,porgie sits on a throne asking silly questions daily,dont u porge?i see u got flagged a bit today.wake up and smell the roses bro,rsa is going same route no matter what your young oppinion.
2007-04-16 08:06:36 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 6⤋