Many Reds say, "Losing in Iraq will mean the expansion of fundamental islam" Is there only Win or Lose ???

Question

What about stay as an option

Or USMC General Kelly said Get out of Baghdad.

Or stop encouraging conflect by doing things the people want.

Or win the Peace.

Most senseable options don't give Bush another Victory at Sea Photo Opp.

Islam is in a global emergence. No matter what we do in Iraq it will not slow the 1.8 Billion Muslims from expanding their global reach.

Answer 1

I think that regardless of the outcome it wont be a complete win or loss.

I would have thought that an overwhelming initial commitment to route radicals, and thoroughly neutralize the bad guys before many of these insurgents could have come into Iraq from neighboring countries would have worked much better.

The surge would have been better right off to expel, or arrest bad guys. And to block insurgents.

Now its a catch up situation.
I am not saying there cant be success. Would have been better to go 100% right off though.

Answer 2

What we have here is a classic catch 22 situation.

If America withdraws under the current political climate there will unquestionably be an expansion of Islamic Fundamentalism into all areas of the Middle East in order to prevent a Western power from ever interfering in the region again and also into other countries to allow attacks against America and her allies in their home countries.

If America stays Iraq will effectively become the front line in a war between America and Islam because Islam will not stop fighting until Iraq is completely independent of foreign influence. The cost in terms of military losses would be huge and the financial cost to America could cripple the economy.

The biggest problem with the Iraq situation is the stubborn refusal by the Bush administration to enter into negotiations in order to bring the conflict to an end. Without some kind of negotiations there are only two possible options, either stay and endure another Vietnam or leave and allow Islamic Fundamentalism to take over Iraq. To me that's an each way lose.

The only sensible option is to enter into indirect negotations in order to at least bring about a cessation of violence. As much as Bush's ego will resent this it is in fact the only credible option available given that the cause of the current fighting is the fact that Bush over stayed his welcome. If Bush had withdrawn shortly after Saddam was ousted we would not be in this situation, even his own advisors are admiting that much.

If Bush refuses to enter into negotiations I cannot see how the situation can be relieved. The only option will be to wait until Bush leaves office and let the new administration sort out his mess. That's in 645 days. Who knows how bad the situation in the Middle East will be by then and how many American servicemen will have died in this pathetic, pointless war that is costing the American tax payer $6bn every month.

Answer 3

Excellent question! I have often asked myself the same thing, especially about the situation in Iraq. Although republicans say we must stay until we win, I have yet to hear any of them actually define what "winning" is. In China, we're not fighting an actual war, but instead a war of globalization and trade deficits which has created a slow down in the american economy. If you read Thomas Friedman's book "The World is Flat", you'll see what I mean. Although Vietnam should've been a lesson to us, it has not been. Once the troops were pulled out of there, the South Vietnamese government asked the U.S. for finacial aid to continue fighting the North and communism, but Nixon and the U.S. said no. Check out the link below on Vietnam.

Answer 4

We should never have declared a war on terrorism. No other country fell into that trap of committing the whole balance of their country into winning a battle against terrorism. How can you fight a war against cells who are located all over the globe?

Until we invaded Iraq, most countries were helping to fight terrorism and fully cooperating with the U.S. Now it seems they would be just as happy to see us cause world chaos and say "I told you so". I wish we had a president with some common sense and foresight.

I would think we would do more good in Iraq by guarding the borders and letting the Iraqi's catch the insurgents at this point. We could stop some of the weapons from coming in.

Answer 5

Not all Muslims are bad. But many of them in the Middle East are. They take Islam, which is not a cute and cuddly religion from the start, and make it even more radical. As humans, we must not accept this. Basic freedoms are denied as a means for global expansion. The countries over there promote and support terrorism. This is a win or lose situation, most wars are. i want peace, Bush prolly even wants peace. But the leaders of the Middle East do not, unless we all convert to Islam and kill anyone who doesnt.

Answer 6

The problem is that if we leave, and another dictator like Saddam or the Iranian leader takes over, then they would be in control of 1/3rd of the worlds oil.

Can you say long lines at the gas pumps, odd and even gas days, flash back to the 70's when OPEC cut off the oil to America. Ask your parents or grand parents about that.

We need to finish the job, kick butt and take names and let all parties know, that if we have to come back, it wont be with troops, at least not until the radiation levels drop.

Answer 7

Yes. Winning & losing are the only options. If we don't win, we lose, it's as simple as that. Winning in Iraq will not stop Islamofascism, but it will slow it down. Nobody is saying that Iraq will be the final battle in the war against Islamofascism. If we quit, we will have other chances, but by quitting, we will make future battles far costlier.

Answer 8

Kinda looks like a Crusade instead of war. Right ?

Crusade of the Christians and Jews led by Chief Crusader George W. Bush under the symbol of the cross.

Answer 9

"Islam is in a global emergence. No matter what we do in Iraq it will not slow the 1.8 Billion Muslims from expanding their global reach."
-so what? you can't group all muslims with one extremist sect. and it's not 1.8 billion its more like 1 billion, maybe a little over.

Answer 10

You win or you lose and running away is a form of loosing