Why Don't Democrats See The Threat To Their Own Party ?

Question

I'm Conservative , but I can agree that there are some good liberal ideas . I understand that many liberals want many of the same things that I want , but we just disagree on 'how' to get 'there' from here .
But what I don't understand is the defense of Nancy Pelosi !!
That just baffles the heck outta me . I don't dislike every Democratic Politician , but Nancy Pelosi is an Extreme Case !
No amount of liberal arguments will ever change the fact that Pelosi was wrong and way out of bounds when she decided to go to Syria . Liberals will argue that other congressmen have gone to foreign countries. . which is true but , not countries that were Terrorist Supporters and clearly cut-off from the U.S. in an effort to isolate them and get them to either change or feel the pain of further world isolation for the Terrorist Support .
And to top it off, Pelosi grandstands using the Israelis as her pedestal and clearly misinforms the Syrians about the intentions of Israel .

Agree or Disagree ?

I'm sure there are things that Democrats wish us Republicans would change . But let's stick to this one for now and afterwards we can discuss those issues .
If Democrats would just stand-up and rebuke the actions of Pelosi, I think you'd see alot more agreement and understanding between the Libs and Cons on this site !!

How many of you Dems realize that you hardly ever address the posted question ?
The Republicans were wrong too !!
Now answer the damn question and quit acting like insolent children . Geeesh !!

Answer 1

I said it before, the left, more specifically the far left and the radical far left do not connect the message to the messenger.

The only thing they see is that she is opposed to president Bush and that's all they care about.

they don't care if she is damaging foreign relations and policies (like they accuse Bush of doing).

They don't care if her policies may negatively impact our military (most believe the military is the problem to begin with).

The don't even care that she is playing with the lives and safety of innocent people.

The only thing they see is she is opposed to Bush and her actions get a negative reaction from the president and republicans in general, and honestly that throws them in to an orgasmic tizzy.

Their hatred is so strong they are blind to how negatively her actions really are.

When they see her it is only about how she impacts the President, not how she impacts the nation as a whole.

that's a dangerous way to look at the world and yet here they are. basically doing the thing that they accuse The president of doing, Playing partisan politics with people's lives.

Pelosi's motives are not noble, her motives are there to draw support from the far left even at the sake of damaging America. How can you say you want to help and protect America, when by your own actions you have basically sided with the enemy?

Pelosi's message is that she cares about this country and wants whats best for it. But her actions prove other wise. But like I said before, the far left does not understand the connection between the messenger and their message.

Answer 2

well... I think congressmen should be allowed to go to other countries, conservative or democrat... and talk to other leaders, even if those countries don't agree with what the current administraion says...

I don't know what she told them... and she said that she did represent the intentions of Israel to Syria... were you there? I wasn't... so, I can't say for sure?

Isreal was mad about something she told the Lebanese press... which, oh, I can't imagine how something being translated into another language could get confused?

my answer is... I don't know what she did exactly, but I don't want to start limiting our congressmen's freedoms though...

that could come back to haunt you if a dem ever gets into office and he has a problem with a country...

and you do know that MANY congressmen have made MANY trips to "hostile nations" in the past... and no one really cared then... but this should be a big deal now?

Answer 3

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Answer 4

What bothers me most about this is that I have not seen any transcript of what was said during the meetings she had. The only evidence I have seen does not give me a warm feeling.

She has since claimed that her visit is somehow a new dialog yet after the criticism she received she stated that she did not say anything that the president has not already said. What I don't understand is if she didn't say anything that hasn't already been said, why go there?

Now I don't know why she went or what she said. This is not the way to run foreign policy.

Answer 5

I disagree that Nancy Pelosi was out of bounds in her trip to Syria. She went with a committee that included Republicans, and it wasn't the first trip to Syria.

I agree that her remarks about Israel were out of line.

I liked what she said about Bush being a President, not a King, but I think she shoots herself in the foot when she insists on establishing a withdrawal date for the troops before she Congress the military.

The Bush administration is totally inept at dealing with dissent, either in Congress or with another country. The polarization of our country is the result. Pelosi is where she is because the alternative has been horrible.

Answer 6

Josh, sorry no ones answered you, she was more out of bounds. The Republicans did not offer an alternative foreign policy or act as Sec. or State by passing on diplomatic messages from other nations. And in the process of not offering a secondary foreign policy, these Republicans did not assure a foreign king that the President lacked domestic support to do anything substantial. Yes, lets tell our enemies we don't like each other and can't get anything done. I always wondered how the libs would wage the war on terror if they were in charge, kudos.

Answer 7

"Can't you see? Ohhh can't you see? What THAT woman lord she been doing to me?! .......ohhhh she's such a crazy lady!!"

Pelosi is too extreme to be leading our party right now, when some moderation & compromise would virtually guarantee a win in Nov 08.

Bush was the lesser of two evils in 04 , & I crossed party lines to cast that vote. If the Dems can't support an agenda that is achievable , sustainable , & producing results which may be documented , we may just manage to leave the White House in Republican hands.

Answer 8

They're still heavily into the solidarity phase of the new Democratic Congress. But if Pelosi becomes a liability for candidates seeking the presidency that'll change quickly.

I guarantee you that right now the opposition is editing head-clothed photos, film clips and sound bites from her Syrian misadventure into campaign commercial footage.

This is far better than Michael Dukakis in that dopey helmet riding in a tank! That was like a Monty Python skit!

Every Democratic candidate who ever stood next to her is going to see that image plastered across America next fall.

Just wait.

Answer 9

The reason no arguments will work is you won't listen anyway. The fact that she had Republicans with her doesn't seem to have sunk in to your thick skull neither has the fact that Gingrich and Hastert did the same kind of thing. Of course that was okay then, wasn't it because they were neocons? Also not getting through your extremely thick skull is that the bi-partisan Iraq study committee recommended the trip. You may think you agree with liberals but jingoists are hardly agreeing with anyone period.

Answer 10

For at least the 12th time I've said this:

Was Pelosi any more or less out of bounds than the 3 Republicans visiting Syria?