Should teachers get tenure? Are they better than me and you?

Question

Why do the most liberal americans get the most lifelong benefits yet insist on tearing down the people who pay their salaries and corrupting their employers children's minds.

Why can't the average person have the job protection that a teacher has.

Answer 1

I agree with you. Teachers should not automatically get tenure. Teaching is an extremely important profession and if you're not doing your job, you should be fired.

And by the way, I'm a teacher and a liberal.

Answer 2

I don't know how the tenure thing works for teachers. But for professors, they have do a great deal of work (performance) to achieve tenure status. It is a recognition and reward that the university bestows on the professor for a job well done. I've known a lot of professors in my day. A couple have abused the priviledge. But 95% work harder, much harder, than the average American.

As for teachers, I would imagine that most take their job very seriously, and I doubt they corrupt the minds of their employer's children. The average person doesn't get tenure, because more corporate organizations want the freedom to reduce costs when they need to, and that means eliminating workforce via downsizing. A generally they go after those that haven't been in the organization long or the veterans of the organization. And 9 times out of 10 the downsizing has nothing to do with performance. I would imagine that if you talked to someone who had been downsized, he/she might like a little job security. Maybe the educational institutions are bit more enlightened and believe that thier intellectual capital in a value asset and not a value drain.

Answer 3

Nobody should be guaranteed a job and protected from firing. We should not only end tenure for teachers, but repeal civil service reform for the other bureaucrats.

Of course this wouldn't be a good idea, as long as administrations are filled with the politically correct. It would most likely be used to purge all teachers that aren't leftists. To apply this policy in colleges would lead to professors that defend Capitalism being fired. Instead of Identity Studies being disbanded (as it should be, because there is no interest in those classes), we'd see colleges firing every Economics professor who defends Capitalism and hiring a Keynesian or Marxist in his place.

If 3 Lacrosse players can be lynched and defamed on a college campus by college administration because they are wealthy straight white males, is it wise to fire anybody they want?

Answer 4

Tenure protects teachers who might say something a parent might not like. With 30 kids in a class you can keep everyone happy. Without tenure schoold would be a revolving door of teachers.

By the way, I'm not a teacher and I do not belong to a union, or work for the government.

Answer 5

"Why can't the average person have the job protection that a teacher has?"

Because we live in a capitalist society. The average worker works in the private sector which can offer whatever benefits they want.

Teachers and jobs such as fireman, police etc. get good pensions as tradition I suppose and strong unions. My mother taught second grade for 35 years. I don't think people realize what dedication and hard work it takes to be a good teacher. Furthermore, they don't get paid squat. If you dedicated 35 years of service in a field don't you think you are entitled to some benefits for your work?

Answer 6

Yes they should. It keeps them from getting terminated from nitwits that would have them terminated for apparently
"corrupting their employers children's minds ".....probably by teaching science or sex ed or teaching them to get the facts and try to keep an open mind..you know, stuff you sound like you want to fire them for...
And if the average person doesn't have the job protection a teacher is always picked on for having...don't blame them Your job probably had at one time a union that you and your fellow employees chose to let wither...
Have you ever been a teacher? Ever set foot in one of today's schools and seen what they work with? I didn't think so. Go have a visit...it might crack open your mind....

Answer 7

No and no. The best job protection is doing an outstanding job.

If you left the liberal line out of the question you would get much better responses. Bottom feeders from both sides really react to the assumption loaded type of questions. I can understand since many surveys have been conducted that show a majority of University professors are liberal, but I think that just gets the extreme people from both sides to interject their crap into the answer list.

Answer 8

Teachers don't work enough now ,to make any difference,
that's why we sit at these computers and pretend we are smart. tenure protects the game players not the real pros.
wannabe's tenure ,good teachers excell, and get a real job.

Answer 9

First, teachers don't generally have tenure -- professors do.

Secondly, it doesn't protect them from being fired for not doing their jobs, but merely assures them that they won't be fired for their positions on issues.

Answer 10

Tenure is a terrible policy. It protects incompetence and inability to do the job. We need to find a better way to promote, hire, and retain competent and capable teachers while eliminating the incompetent and incapable ones.