How do 12 ton Titanium Jet engines vaporize into nothing?

Question

like 77 & 93?

Answer 1

Tsk tsk, chorus. You let four whole human beings get a word in edgeways before the three of you chimed in.

Actually, in truth I did see a photo of what looked like a CFM56 turbine, the usual power plant for a 737, not a 757 or a 767. This photo was apparently taken at the corner of Church and Murray on the 11th of September. The 757 is fitted with either Pratt and Whitney 2037's, or Rolls Royce RB 211's, both of which are huge engines, dwarfing the CFM56. So there can be little room for error there.

The point being that if a 757 didn't hit the WTC tower, and it was a 737, why did the official story say otherwise ?

In the case of the Pentagon, I am beyond doubt that no 757-200 hit that building, the absence of engines and undercarriage ( the heaviest, strongest parts of the aircraft ), or wreckage of the same outside the building, would be proof enough on it's own.

What still amazes me is that here we are over 5 years after those events and it looks just the same as the JFK thing, the only people still talking or thinking about it are the nutty, conspiracy theorists, of which I count myself one. But the debunkers still show up for work every day, without fail.

If the story was, indeed, as per the official tripe, why do these people persist ? Are we really worth all this effort ?

Methinks they doth protest too much.

And shame on you Tony A.

Titanium melts at 1668 °C (3034 °F), you are mixing you're temperature scales to muddy the waters. Avtur ( Jet fuel ) burns at 1,800 degs Fahrenheit ( 982 Degs C ).

If you want to debunk based on facts, at least get your 'facts' straight.

Answer 2

Ah Ugly Betty/Nancy/Crypto Jew Girl/Neo-Con Flavored Kool-aide/Skip/Skipper/Surfer Dude/Brenda/Ginger/Citizen of the New World/Sgt BMF/*/etc. you have been watching "Loose Change" again haven't you. I found a site that does nothing but "Debunk Loose Change"!

The engines
Avery says a 757 has two Pratt & Whitney engines that are 9 feet wide, 12 feet long, weigh six tons each and are made of steel and titanium alloy. American Airlines actually uses Rolls-Royce RB211 series engines on its 757s, and this is corrected in the recut. He goes into detail about the melting point of titanium and the temperature of burning kerosene (jet fuel), and then claims that it's scientifically impossible for the engines to be vaporized by kerosene. I don't know why he would go to all that effort to disprove something that didn't even happen. The engines weren't vaporized, they were torn apart when they hit a reinforced wall at full speed.

Avery claims that the engines should have been found relatively intact. I have no idea why he would expect this. Things don't usually stay together, undamaged, when they slam into reinforced concrete at over 500 miles per hour, even if they are steel and titanium. He then says there was a single turbojet engine found in the building, about 3 feet in diameter, and shows us this circular object:


First, that's not an engine. It's a piece of an engine. Second, all the pieces of an engine are not the same size as the whole assembled engine. Here's a picture of the RB211-535:


Avery tells us that after the wreckage photo was published by the American Free Press, readers wrote in and suggested it was a component of the 757's auxiliary power unit (APU) located in the tail. It's not. The American Free Press bills itself as America's last real newspaper, declaring that "the media is the enemy". It features stories about the Zionist elite, the Bilderberg Group, and the 9/11 conspiracy. The AFP is cited several times throughout Loose Change.

Avery says Chris Bollyn (an AFP writer) contacted Honeywell, manufacturer of the 757's APU. They told him it wasn't an APU wheel. No surprise there. Bollyn then contacted Pratt & Whitney to inquire about the engines, and was told to contact Rolls-Royce. Avery then cites a portion of this AFP article:

John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: "It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I'm familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy."

So he's consulting a spokesman at a plant that doesn't even manufacture the RB211 series. Later in the article, the spokesman admits he doesn't know anything about the engines:

Asked again if the disc in the photo is a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not answer.

AFP then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: "No," Brown said. "I don't build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company."

Avery then cites Karl Schwarz, president and CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies and I-nets Security Systems, who thinks the engine component is the front shaft bearing housing from an A-3 Skywarrior's JT8D engine. However, the A-3 Skywarrior uses J57 engines, not JT8D engines. This is why you shouldn't ask nanotechnologists to identify airplane engines, especially if their websites contain such insightful information as "Enter content here".

Working from this incorrect conclusion, Avery tells us that the piece in the photo is the front seal and a rotor hub missing its fan blades, which are "easily removed in a collision such as the one found at the Pentagon". Aside from how it's actually a compressor stage, this conflicts with his earlier assertion that the engines should have been found relatively intact.

But, nice try! You keep posting them and I will keep "debunking" them!

Answer 3

To summarize what others have said, what proof do you have that they "vaporized into nothing"? The planes were flying much faster than they were supposed to be. They were fully loaded with jet fuel (do some research on what that stuff consists of). The collision wasn't a glancing blow, as was prepared for by the architects of the buildings. (They assumed that if they were ever going to be hit by planes, it would be an accident.) It was a direct hit at the heart of each building. Essentially, the planes were gigantic guided missiles designed to explode and then burn at an incredibly high temperature.

I've decided that people who continue to insist that there was some sort of conspiracy are neither liberal nor conservative, just deluded. Believing in conspiracies is a lot more fun than dealing with the serious realities that have resulted from what actually happened.

But even though I don't see this as a conservative/liberal or Republican/Democrat issue, I do hold certain commentators responsible for creating the climate that lets ideas like these continue to fester. Instead of using logic, facts, common sense, history, etc., the likes of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh have elevated ideologically driven passion to an art form. Basically, any crazy idea that comes into your head is worth expressing and pushing unless somebody really nails you. Those who could usually don't bother. So nutty ideas proliferate and get taken halfway seriously.

What is amusing is the irony here. Things have evolved to the point that people are beginning to accuse the people backed by Coulter, Limbaugh, etc., with actually being RESPONSIBLE for the terrorist acts. I'm afraid they are getting what they deserve. They may hate Rosie, but they helped create the political atmosphere in which someone like her is given a national forum and taken halfway seriously.

Answer 4

check your facts Titanium melts(1660deg) and boils(3270) like ant other metal despite what that fat pig rosie says. Given that jet fuel burns at 1800degrees and all the other contributing fuels and the forces of the impact it is possible for no trace to be found. vaporize - no but check all that dust that remained. and drag the river for pieces.
read the 9/11 commission report and put the weed away first

Answer 5

The same way jet feul that burns at a maximum temp of 1472 degrees Fahrenheit, melts steel that is rated for 2795 degrees which is needed to melt the steel found in the world trade centers.

Answer 6

Nancy, they don't! You really need to stop worshiping Rosie O'Donnell. Here is your proof since you can't come up with any.

Answer 7

That vapor is escaping from the crater on top of your pointed head.

Answer 8

Flying into buildings at 500 miles per hour will do that to them.

Answer 9

Dude your delusional.
First don't get your information from bogus web sites.
Second you already have a preconceived opinion about the whole thing.
Third...you want it to be true.
Fourth...You need to do a psychological profile of yourself

You have a disease I call DDE.
1. Delusional
2. Denial
3. Easily susceptible to Jedi Mind Tricks (All F&*king Day)

Answer 10

they didn't, they just turned into small pieces

airplane = ultra light aviation materials

building = steel and reinforced concrete