If we lose the war in Iraq, we lose the war on terror! Can you tell me how Im wrong?

Question

The War in Iraq is the front line in the War on Terror.

If we leave Iraq...we will lose the War on Terror. Its as simple as that. All the liberal BS in the world will not change this undeniable fact!!

If you liberals get your way the War on Terror is lost. An Islamic flag will be flying over the White House and your children will be taken away from you and converted to islam...And you, well, you will be put up against a wall like the rest of us.

I strongly suggest to you liberals that you take my wrods seriously. Because once the surrender orders are given by Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards....life in the USA is over...This is not an exaggeration...this is the reality....

BUT IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS..We can still save ourselves...We must fight and fight and fight.. We must never give up our freedom to these terrorists!!

Shame on you liberals for trying to give it to them!

Answer 1

I’m not sure we can reasonably make the claim that if we lose the war in Iraq, we lose the war against terrorism. I do however understand the point that you are trying to make, and agree that a withdrawal of forces in Iraq will make it tremendously more difficult to win the overall war on terrorism. Though I am not advocating nor do I agree with the use of terrorism in any form, we should make a distinction here because the war itself is not a war on ‘terrorism’ per se, it is a war against Islamic extremism. The difference is; various groups have used terrorist methodologies to accomplish goals such as self determination, the IRA would come to mind in regards to this type of terrorism. The Islamic extremists desire no such noble goal as self determination; they use terrorism as a vehicle to push their ideological agenda. This it would seem would be evident by the fact that the extremists have no issue with killing other Muslims if they do not believe as they do. The extremists, have been taught from early childhood; their ultimate purpose in life is to convert or kill all that do not believe as they do- and this is not speculation, this is what they openly profess. To facilitate their use of terrorism as an acceptable practice, they began espousing that if one were to sacrifice their self in the act of destroying the enemy; it would guarantee them entry to heaven. So the extremists’ mindset is; the purpose of their life is to convert or kill unbelievers and, that if they give up their life pursuing this goal they will be received into heaven and be rewarded. Since we now have the basis of what it is that we are fighting, how does this relate to Iraq? The US presence in Iraq has been said to ‘cause’ terrorism; the problem with that theory should be obvious, if the mindset of the terrorist has been ingrained since early childhood, the causal relation exists with the teaching and not with current events. It does not matter where we (infidels) are; the goal of the extremist is the annihilation of those not believing as they do. It has also been argued that Iraq is in the midst of a civil war and we have no business there, again let’s look at the evidence. Iraq does consist of groups espousing different theologies, mainly the Shia and Sunnis’, but this in itself does not lend credence to a ‘civil war’ theory. Iraq shares borders with Iran and Syria. Iran is predominantly Shia, where as Syria is predominantly Sunni- and it should be mentioned that each country has a segment of population which represents the opposing ideology, so contrary to the ‘civil war’ proponents argument, these two groups can coexist. Instead of a ‘civil war’, what we are seeing is an attempt by the Iranians as well as Syrians, to influence if not annex Iraq. Both of these countries as well as most other Middle Eastern dictatorial governments, understand that having another government embracing democratic philosophies within their midst; would not be conducive to the continuation of their form of government. It seems incomprehensible that some people still do not understand what exactly is being fought and what the consequences are for losing that fight. I understand the influence of mainstream media and the dependence many feel towards it, but I would suggest that those that regurgitate the ‘news’ bits that they see in the media; take a week off and actually do some research yourselves- there are many different news sources where you can gather data and form your own opinions. Just an FYI- I don’t watch it so I have no opinion of mainstream media, the assertion of possible bias is from ABC News political director Mark Halperin. One last note, for those that would suggest dialogue; there are circumstances wherein dialogue does prove useful however, in the current situation and the stated goal of the Islamic extremists, there is no conceivable benefit of dialogue at this time. A great example of why dialogue at this point would be useless is that of Neville Chamberlain and his appeasement approach to Germany prior to WWII-

FlyGuy- though amusing, your knowledge of history is lacking. Though not stopped, the undeniable fact is that the spread of communism was slowed due to the US presence in Vietnam. I would have to say here that the slaughter of the Vietnamese people due to the removal of funding and our subsequent withdrawal of forces, was definitely a black day in US history. Your attempt at sarcasm misses the point however, since by the eighties communism was making ground in South America. And if you check your history books, you will see that due to the resolve of the president at the time (another president who wasn't popular with liberals), we saw a withdrawal of communism as well as the ultimate collapse of communist Russia.

In response to the posting following this one; though it is correct that there has been no connection found with Iraq and the events of 9/11, it has been established that Iraq was directly linked to the original trade center bombing which if I remember correctly, killed six and injured 1100(a small fact that many have seemed willing to ignore since it does little to support their arguments) another comment about the original trade center bombings; the consensus between structural engineers is that; had the vehicle which contained the bomb, been parked next to the poured support column, the trade center most likely would have collapsed in the first bombing- Another fact which again seems to be ignored is the fact that there were terrorist training centers found within the Iraqi borders. If one were to base the attack on Iraq strictly by the terms of 'fighting terrorism', then it has been stablished that this case does exist however, the Iraqi tie with terrorism was just one facet of the whole argument which ultimately lead to the authorization for use of force.

Answer 2

Perhaps one should determine in what context Iraq is a war. iraq is an occupied country. Occupied countries usually rally a resistence by their people against their occupiers. In this context how exactly does the world 'terrorist' fit in? Were the French resistence in WWII terrorists because they battled the Germans who occupied their country?

Of course many s**t disturbers have pored into Iraq which was prime for civil and religious strife if anyone ever broke down the once thing that united the people of that country - fear of their repressive government.

Iraq is bound to break into several nations with Iran emerging as a regional power and the real winner of this 'adventure'.

To try to be so black and white and say they are terrorists who 'hate freedom' is plain stupid...they see this war as a struggle for their own freedom which is a great irony.

Answer 3

That's great so when the kid next door constently threatens to burn your house down and keeps lighting matches and blowing them out, do you just ignore him or do you fear you'll come home to sticks and burned debris some day so you call the police and get a restraining order and if that doesn't work what do you do while your wife and kids are home alone while you travel. Are you so important that you honestly think anyone is going behind the scenes to read your email. Oh by the way if you don't delete your emails and the service you use updates their equipment your emails will be free floating in cyber space anyway easily found in searches, IM messages to. check it out. .

Answer 4

lol the war on terror is FAKE!!!! the war (massacre) in Iraq can NEVER be won dont you get it and the aproach was as such , generals telling dubya we need to put more troops in at the very start but no dubya was happy . the attacks on the uncontroled middle east has given the extremists so much support we have a never ending enemy ITS BY DESIGN !!! and there are holes in your text so big i can see you trying to convince yourself , the left and right work together at the very top so your O'reilly zomby Liberal blar blar blar doesnt make any sense.

Answer 5

First of all the white house would look good with an Islamic flag over it.

Second the terror on U.S. happened because of your violent oppression on the Islamic people in the middle east,If you would have left us alone the Arabs wouldn't have retaliated and attacked you in the first place.

Answer 6

If we lose the war in Iraq or if we win the war in Iraq it will make no difference in the war on terror. The only difference is that we will go after the real terrorists who attacked us. The fact that we are in Iraq has actually increased the terrorist movement. They see us as infidels on their sacred land. When we leave they have no reason to kill us. Terrorists, however will continue to exist. They always have and probably always will. Some, like Timothy McVey are home grown. So don't assume that all terrorists are Muslims.

Answer 7

The US losing the War on Terror would entail the establishment of an Islamic Sharia-based government in the USA. The First Amendment, which is under constant attack from the right, prevents just such a thing.

Answer 8

The war on terror is bigger than Iraq. Iraq wasn't linked to Al-Qaeda and has focused our attention, time, money and soldiers irresponsibly. Terrorist organization embed themselves in countries around the world, like Afghanistan, Syria, Morrocco and others. This question and some responses I see demonstrate our lack of understanding in the enemy we currently face. Building diplomacy and gaining access to those countries and bank accounts where terrorists reside is the only way to combat this threat to the U.S. It is neccessary to put aside "Cold War" strategies for combating our enemies. Al-Qaeda is an Ideology not a country with a stationary infrastructure. We must reconfigure our thought process for attacking this enemy.

“If you know yourself and you know your enemy, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know only yourself but not your enemy, for every victory you will suffer a defeat. If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will succumb in every battle.”

“You should never go to sleep in the evening with more enemies than you had in the morning.”

Sun Tzu, in the “Art of War,”

For far too long, the policy of the United States in the Middle East has been to do just that.

The report I provided is sobering. Especially Page 7 and shows the lack of effectiveness the Iraq war and this administrations policies is having.

Answer 9

Keep this in mind. Iraq did not do 9-11. Iraq did not have WMD. Iraq was no threat to the USA. There was not "ONE" Iraqi aboard those planes that hit the WTC. None. Now, tell me again how fighting in Iraq is fighting terrorist.

Answer 10

Oh my God. Why didn't I think of this before? In fact, now I remember that after we lost Vietnam, communism took over the world and all Americans were put to death shortly after Lenin was elected president.

Or maybe your a jackass. I wonder which.