arre there any valid arguments against the matrix theory??

Question

the matrix theory is the whole brain in a vat scenerio where your minds is being fed stimulus and realy its just your mind that is experiencing things and everything in your life always has been and always will be all an illusion.

mine is:

if we were in the matrix we would not be able to know or even perceive it and come up with the idea of its possiblity. the reason for this is because we would have experienced the illusion ONLY and would have no reference to compare it to. but the very fact that we can compare reality to a non reality shows that we do infact live in a REAL reality.

Answer 1

The concept of the brain-in-a-vat is as old as descarte, maybe older, and no, there is no argument against it.

All of our sensory input is thru the senses, and it would appear identical to our brain if were real, or fed to us by machines.

As to the MOVIE the matrix, you can argue against that model because the energy spend to maintain us would greatly out weight the energy gained from our body heat.

Answer 2

Hey, I liked the movie "The Matrix" but it is in the realm of Science Fiction and is not a theory. Theories are based on facts, not fiction. Under what realm of Science is the "Matrix Theory" supposed to exist: Physics, Biology, or something else? What experiments can be conducted to show its validity? Under which Peer-reviewed Journal are the results reported? Science is much more than making up "theories" for every idea anyone has.

Answer 3

I agree with your view, but I'm afraid your proof doesn't seem to work. If we really were generating our image of the world entirely without being in the world, and were just responding to manual stimuli of the brain, there would be no reason why we should be incapable of imagining a real world vs a false one. Our cognitive and imaginitive abilities need not be hindered by the fact that we are unaware of the state we are really in.

If by "matrix theory" you mean the view that we ourselves are minds without bodies, and we are "dreaming up the world", I would say that this view is incorrect for a few reasons. One is that we are capable of discerning reality from dreams, sometimes even as we are dreaming, because things occur in dreams that defy the laws of physical possibility. There is also a lot of inconsistency in space-time (time moves very slow or very fast, and alternates between the two) in dreams.

Another reason that this view is false is that we come into contact in our lifetimes with phenomena that we cannot understand, but we come to understand it later in our lives. For example, it has always been the case that when I drop something, it falls to the ground. However, before I learned what gravity was, I didn't know why. The same goes for other phenomena. If we were not really living lives, there would be no way for our knowledge to increase over time, we would just have to know everything we will ever know from the very beginning of our lives. If gravity were something my imagination made up, there is no reason why I would have witnessed the phenomenon before I understood its cause.

If by "matrix theory" you mean the possibility that our brains are being controlled by others and we are being mentally stimulated, my argument against that would be that if this were the case, there would be no way for us to die except having our plugs pulled. In the movie The Matrix, when a person is shot within the Matrix, their actual body dies. However, the brain cannot excercise this kind of self-destruction in real life- just because you dream that you have cancer does not mean you will suddenly die.

Answer 4

I believe that a version of the matrix theory is correct. After all, mathmatically, we can not exist. Everything we perceive is in our own head. Just like in the movie when he says "There is no spoon" technically light is supposed to reflect off the spoon, in turn going into your eye and telling your brain that the spoon is there. But the picture of the spoon is really in your brain, and not outside of it. Hence is the spoon really there? Or is the spoon in your head? But I do disagree that there is a brain in a vat somewhere. After all...if there was...what would make that real? And maybe that brain in a vat, is just a brain in a vat somewhere and so on and so on.

Answer 5

As in the film, "The Matrix?"

Well, the possibility of its contingent truth cannot be wholly dismissed. What we presume and take for granted- reality- may or may not be as real as we have been taught to believe.

That particular, elaborate theory of reality in "The Matrix" is just one idea. It's one of those things that cannot be proven nor disproven...sort of like arguing with an Atheist that God exists.

Answer 6

Of course it is real, but the way we perceive it, as outside, is not so real, but that's all we have, or maybe not...lol

Most people are connected to the Matrix, meaning, they perceive reality as something outside of them; because, of course, there's nothing else they can do about it, or can they?

Why are you all looking, then? And why don't you all try looking inside, I mean, really look.

I mean, have you found anything with your eyes? Why don't you try closing your eyes and look?

What have you got to lose?

OR maybe you've tried and didn't like to be alone in the dark?

Are you afraid of losing your fear...lol


Dare to know!

Good luck!

Answer 7

Sounds like another pitch movie to me... Spiritualists using Hollywood to bring their philosophies into the mainstream.

Sounds like the entire premise behind A Course in Miracles to me...


Read it you'll like it...and it will remove the sensationalism from the deeper truth & meaning and you'll come to realize that it has existed as a practice long before The Matrix was ever even written.

That, and the Kybalion.

Answer 8

any theory concerning a collective consciousness or one that centers around empiricism would be 'arguments' against the matrix theory. When you say valid arguments I suppose to mean ones that are logically valid - in which case there could be plenty, but just because something is logically valid it is not necessarily true in reality.

Example of valid argument:

All men are immortal
Socrates is a man
Therefore, Socrates is immortal

The argument is valid (modus ponens) but obviously is not true by the fact that Socrates has been long dead. So like I said, I'm sure there are plenty of valid arguments against the matrix theory but they are not necessarily true.

Answer 9

Yes. Reality.

Answer 10

I can agree with this theory.