would you live in a world 100% designed by feminists?

Question

if you could live in a world entirely designed by

(a) a radical feminist like Rio Madeira

or live in a world entirely designed by

(b) a woman like Leah Kelley who promotes and embraces the differences between the sexes

which world would you choose to live in and why?

scruffy - you did not answer the question.

do you think there will there be a trend in the answers of feminists slyly avoiding to answer his question?

RM: I regret the bias, I also saw it in the way it was written but was too lazy to try and balance it - it could have been levelled up if i were a more skilled a writer, I agree.

RM: I want to bring to your attention that you have not answered the question. Would you want to live in a world that you 100% constructed according to your principles and ideas ?

Scruffy: Thank-you for adding to your answer.

Deirdre O: you have made your decision to live in a world soley constructed by radical feminists, does it matter what Leah Kelly's ideas might be?

Inwat_89 : would you kindly make a choice and answer the question?

Answer 1

In my world, the sexes are only different biologically. There are no set societal roles for either of them. Both men and women are free from gender discrimination. No one would even dare say that a woman belongs in the kitchen, or that a man only thinks with his rod.

Now what's the problem with that? I'm an equal-but-different feminist, not an extremist. Suggesting that gender is solely a social construct is just absurd — there's more to it than that. That said, I'm actually quite hurt that you consider me the gold standard for radical feminism around here. Those who actually know me are well aware that I'm not a man-hater, or someone who blames everything on a patriarchy that no longer exists, or someone who relentlessly attacks women like Leah Kelley and Alexandra for not being feminists. I am simply trying to get the message across that women still have a ways to go before true political, legal, and economic equality can be achieved.

And by the way, your phrasing of the question showed a very obvious bias for Leah Kelley.

EDIT: Thank you for saying so, oldgirl. If I were truly a radical feminist, I would have been screaming at you about that all night. Might I recommend detailing the positive attributes of both our positions next time?

EDIT: Yes, I would. It would be far better, I think, than the kind of world Leah Kelley would want. As for derovius' questions: By the time our one-year mat leave is up, the babies have mostly started weaning. There ARE women who can handle combat, just as there are men who can't. And who cares who initiates sex, as long as it gets done?

EDIT: Having just read Leah's response, my opinion has not changed — not just because I'm a feminist, but because I'm a secular Jew.

EDIT: Sooooo, oldgirl, planning on resolving the question any time soon?

Answer 2

Is Rio really radical? Maybe more left leaning than most...

This is a ridiculously loaded question, so I'm going to restructure my answer to best fit what I want. You decide whether that's A or B.

I want to live in a world where respect for an individual is not influenced by gender, where people are given equal opportunities and treatment, and where differences in gender, while present, are relatively subtle and do not define a person's value or place in this world.

I don't think I know enough about all of Rio's politics so I can't say choice A for sure, but I definitely can't back someone who writes a book that basically advocates a husband treating his wife like a child.

So it's either A or neither. Take your pick.

Answer 3

First Rio Madeira a world based on equality, where people would all be valued the same.
fem·i·nism (fm-nzm) KEY
NOUN:
Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
The movement organized around this belief.

Now the second scenario, where some members are dominant and some are submissive or subservient:
pl. pa·tri·ar·chies In both senses also called patriarchate .
A social system in which the father is the head of the family and men have authority over women and children.
A family, community, or society based on this system or governed by men.

I am not a masochist so it is obvious from my own belief of the inherent equality of all humans that feminism is the only system that is fair and equitable. Rio guess that looks like I am in.
Leah thinks it is ok to let her husband spank her if she is what he considers bad. News flash!!!!!!!!!!!
No MAN is EVER GOING to spank me unless he plans on having the silicone (have to read her web page) spatula surgically removed from his rear end.
Edit
Rio is not a radical feminist, and I am well aware of what Leah promotes and believes in and I am going with what I believe in and that is equality. I am a responsible adult. My husband and I are equal, we contribute equally to the home, we are partners, we believe in mutuality and respect. He doesn't have any more authority of me then I do him. You oldgirl really have no idea what feminism is about do you. You believe all the nonsense that those who are afraid of change and to relinguish there power and "authority", propagate. It is hard to have a discussion from someone who plainly has bias in this area. That is blatantly apparent from the way that you worded the question. You have no evidence that Rio is a radical feminist. She is seventeen and I think most people that age are radical about a lot of things. Why not have an intelligent discussion instead of pointing fingers and making disparaging comments to the feminist. I notice that those who took Leah's society of women being submissive have not been queried at all, and yes by giving your husband authority and dominance you are accepting the role of submissiveness.

Answer 4

Way to "Split" Ol Girl.
I agree with the poster who uses that phrase to describe what you've done--and don't be too proud, either, because splitting is what people with DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder; used to be Multiple Personality disorder) do.
In other words, it's a pathological response on your part.
I would live in a Feminist world any day as opposed to living Leah K's life any day.I came pretty close in a fundie church back in the 80s, but they stopped short of advocating spanking the wifey. They used all the other tricks to repress woman, though. Kind of reminds me of the atmosphere here on WS.
I truly think Leah and several others are only trolls with too much time on their hands, and who take practical jokes to the extreme with all that extra time.Some young, confused woman might read some of their BS and take it to heart.
They could cause big damage.
If you think it can't happen, watch the film "The Fisher King".
Freedom of speech has to be balanced by common sense and responsibility.
Good luck

Answer 5

Is this the same Leah Kelley who wrote this book:
"Christian Domestic Discipline Spanking Romance Short Story Collection"
Description: "Over 50,000 words of punishment spanking fiction involving men who strive to instill values into their family by the use of the rod. Includes THE WOMEN'S REBELLION, WHAT DAD TRIED TO TELL ME, THE CHECK, TO TRAIN UP A WIFE, LACIE JANE, AND THE WISDOM WORKER."

Are you serious?

I've got no problem with spanking and discipline games between consenting adults ... but characterizing the idea of being subjected to physical discipline by her husband as "a woman who promotes and embraces the differences between the sexes." is just a bit trite, wouldn't you say?

There is a HUGE difference between "embracing differences" and *accepting subjugation*. So since your characterization of Leah Kelley is so misleading, I cannot trust your characterization of Rio Madeira either ... and judging by the other responses, you have indeed pegged Rio incorrectly as well. You have apparently loaded the question to get a desired response. Shame on you.

... But to answer your question, as a man, I would rather live in a world of women as social *equals*. That doesn't mean that there are no differences (I *love* the differences) ... but no *status* differences.

My sense of self-worth as a man is not dependent on being able to subjugate any other human being ... women or otherwise. A man who needs to subjugate a woman (or anyone) in order to feel worthwhile is ... in my opinion ... a pathetic excuse for a man.

Answer 6

After reading Rio Madeira's response and her past answers and visiting Leah Kelley's 360 page and some of her answers I pick A, hands down.

Leah Kelley's 360 talks of "Christian Domestic Discipline", "Loving Wife Spanking in a Christian Marriage" and "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands". It doesn't sound like she embraces the differences of between men and women but enjoys the role of submissive. I enjoy being a women, work in a male dominated business and do not enjoy being spanked by a dominant male, therefore do not think I would enjoy living in her world.

Rio Madeira's questions speak of equality and allowing everyone the freedom to make their own choices -- that is the world I want to live in.

Answer 7

Feminists are antagonistic to the abortion guidelines in China because it robs the girls of their organic and organic rights. Feminist is largely a time period to describe human beings that wrestle for the rights of girls. What if the chinese authorities went about yet otherwise in cutting-aspect birth control and determined that men should be the only's to make the sacrifice after the first newborn? You all should be pissed too.

Answer 8

I would depend on what the world is like. I know Madeira and Kelley as scholars, but am not sure how they would actually design a world.

Answer 9

Wow we are back to normal and fighting again... I hate to admit it but I think I missed it...

Rio... I do not know that much about her so its hard to say, she seems to be for men and women being equal (whats wrong with that?)...

Leah Kelley.. I have not seen her 360 but submissive is not a word I would use to describe myself.

C. How about I live by my own guidelines - I know what is right and wrong and I have respect for others... Rio will live her life, Leah can live hers and Michelle (me) can live a life that suits me...


Edit:

KA 1227, your last paragraph says it perfectly

Answer 10

ONLY DIFFERENT BIOLOGICALLY!!! I was going to rush to your defense, Rio Maderia, but I am not so sure that you understand that the " concept " of gender roles is a social science construct that has no empirical validity. While, on the other hand, the biological underpinnings to sexual variance are highly supported, empirically. When will you social science types join the rest of us in the 21st century?

PS I must say I am sorry for my prompt reply before totally reading the Rio Maderia response. Where she states that gender is not all " socially constructed " . A bad day has leaped through my keyboard and for that I must say I am truly sorry, to Rio Maderia.