Do you think that abortion is against feminist ideology?

Question

My friend is discussing this with me...she is conservative...i'm liberal...she posted several quotes:

Abortion allows women to become like men, as in not get pregnant, not have children to care for. A woman is therefore exploited because she is forced/coerced into living in a man's world like a man. If true femininity (and feminism) were embraced, a woman would be considered an equal member of society no matter what her stage in life - single, pregnant, or mother. Abortion allows a woman to avoid pregnancy and motherhood instead of allowing the world to accept pregnant women and mothers. A perfect example is in the work place- many women are overlooked for new positions and advancements because of pregnancy or motherhood (you can find these stories almost everywhere). Instead of changing the world, we have fundamentally changed the woman, we are exploiting the non-mother side of all women. Ontop ofthat, women are exploited as sex objects because abortion allows men to not be "trapped"

...because abortion allows men to not be "trapped" into any kind of commitment when a child comes along. Let me find an interesting quote....


"Many feminists refuse to accept that the violent ethic of abortion is doing serious damage to women and that the proliferation of pornography and the million-plus abortions a year are inexorably connected. It is no accident that the greatest apologist for pornography in our culture, Hugh Hefner, is also enthusiastic about abortion on demand. Hefner's misogynistic playboy philosophy inevitably leads to the destructive, dewomanizing practice of abortion. As its core the playboy ethic is anti-woman and anti-child. The reality of the possibility of pregnancy and childbirth interferes with the Hefner dream of multiple partners and everlasting orgies. The Hefner playboy is incapable of relating to a mature woman who ovulates, menstruates, conceives and lactates. In fact, he's quite puritanical about the messy, dirty processes of human reproduction.

He likes his bunnies 'clean' and sterile....

...If his bunny mysteriously gets pregnant, she can take care of that like magic with a clean, sterile abortion. The biological reality of the combined fertility of women and men which might result in the creation of a new human being must be denied. In the Hefner dream world there is no need for the commitment it would take to nurture new life." --Judy Shea




my friend says...abortion is a violent act against a woman and that a result of abortion is to take away the very things that make women uniquely beautiful and important...


so what do you thiNK?

Answer 1

No.

BTW, your friend isn't a true conservative, as true conservatives don't believe that the federal government should make people's decisions for them. That's what theocrats believe.

Abortions don't prevent women from having children when they're ready. They enable them to end a pregnancy they aren't ready for.

They don't turn women into men.

I've never heard of any woman who wanted to have her baby deciding to abort because of the effect on her job. Women who are pursuing careers tend to use birth control until they decide they want kids.

Illegal abortions are more likely to make a woman incapable of childbirth than legal ones.

No one is advocating forcing women to have abortions. Rational human beings believe they should decide this for themselves.

Your friend is a fruitcake.

Tell her she can do whatever she wants with her own womb (including letting wing-nuts make her life decisions for her), but stay out of everyone else's.

It's anti-feminist to believe that other people should have ultimate control over every woman's body; it's feminist to believe women have the right to make their own decisions for themselves.

??? She seems to believe that all women are sub-human freaks who only want to "trap" men. Tell her to stop projecting her psychoses onto others.

(BTW, the stuff in the Additional fields doesn't show up in this screen, so I can't respond.)

Answer 2

I am a woman. I would say that a woman's mind is hers, individually and she doesn't have to have a woman's ideology, which I don't believe there is one in existence. Believe me a woman uses her mind to make many decisions everyday. Thousands of times a day. No one forces a woman to get an abortion or to think she has to get one in order to fit into the work place. Each individual is stronger then what we think. They can make decissions and they will but it is their decission.

I do not believe in abortion, but , I do believe that a woman has the right to choose and face her maker. After all, if she believes in a maker then she realizes he is the only one to judge her. He probably would give her more peace of mind then human judgment. And if you believe in a maker then you should know that God already knows what is going to take place. Humans do not judge as fairly as he does. He might forgive where another human wouldn't.
As far a men being trapped. There are many men who would not be trapped by the child, but by the woman. If laws were changed to where the fathers could particpate without the woman being in charge of everything and allow him to be a father he would probably participate more. It is usually the woman (mother) not the child the father doesn't want to deal with.
When a woman has sex with a man that she hardly knows I think that is her fault. If a woman has sex with a man who doesn't have a job and hangs out and runs the streets what makes her think he is going to become a promonate business man once she becomes pregnant. lol "Kiss Sleeping Beauty Good-bye"
Men often get the bad rap. Women know how to prevent pregnancy also. Sometimes women trick men. I would find it degrading to say I was tricked into getting pregnant. Maybe years ago, but not now.

Answer 3

Feminists are against the abortion laws in China because it robs the women of their biological rights. Feminist is basically a term to describe people that fight for the rights of women. What if the chinese government went about another way in modern birth control and decided that men should be the one's to make the sacrifice after the first child? You all would be pissed too.

Answer 4

The whole feminist movement was about women being treated differently. Now, the whole pregnancy thing can't be equal so it's kind of a gray area. There's never a woman that's forced to get an abortion by a man, it's up to her. So, I'm gonna say no.

Answer 5

Your friend seems to have missed the point that these women are making the choice to have abortions. If they don't want to be mothers, so what? There's more to being a woman than wanting children. As for the question of "trapping," it also prevents women from the confines of parenthood.

Answer 6

I'm not a woman or a feminist so take my amswer with a dose of salt.
From the feminists I do know - abortion isn't the question here. I know of a few feminists who would never choose abortion except in the rarest of cases. However, they say: It's not some interpreter of a religious text, but the individual woman who has the right to say what happens to her body and whose baby she will or will not bare.

I agree.

Answer 7

Abortion is a choice. Be glad women HAVE that choice rather than being forced to raise or give away an unwanted child or worse, ending up marrying some abusive bum because of it.

Answer 8

I quit reading after the first asinine line: Abortion allows women to become like men, as in not get pregnant.....
If you start with an out and out falsehood your argument loses all merit, sorry but when your wrong your just wrong.

Answer 9

It's amazing the tales the anti-choice people come up with. Forced childbirth is NOT a feminist ideology.

Answer 10

Women and men are not biologically the same, and therefore can never be treated the same with respect to pregnancy. I don't know why people propose such ridiculous things.