Cons. Why do you hate the poor, the working class, and the middle class?

Question

This is in response to the guy who said liberals hate the rich. We don't. We just believe in equality of economic opportunity. Every person regardless of social class should be given the opportunity to succeed. You do this with such things as the GI Bill for soldiers, state subsidized universities, student grants, subsidized loans, job training, etc. To protect against aristocracy in America, taxes to pay for these programs are shifted towards those who can most afford it.

Without policies that level the playing field the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

What happens when the gap between the rich and poor becomes too great? You get such things as the French and Russian Revolutions where the poor kill the rich.

"All privileges based on wealth, and all emnity to honest men merely because they are wealthy, are un-American."
- Thedore Roosevelt

"Great accumulations of wealth cannot be justified on the basis of personal and family security … Such inherited economic power is as inconsistent with the ideals of this generation as inherited political power was inconsistent with the ideals of the generation which established our government." — President Franklin D. Roosevelt

thegforce,

Taxing people is not robbing. If you do not want to pay taxes to American government you are free to leave the country. If you don't like your tax rates, you are free to vote for somebody who will fight for the taxes you want. This is a democracy, not a dictatorship.

Dr House,

I went to a state subsidized university, got student grants from the federal government and state, and subsidized loans ( a total of 26K), and now have a great paying job as an aerospace engineer. All that only makes me a bigger liberal. I would never think of becoming a greedy Republican.

Answer 1

Ignorance is bliss with the right, they wont admit to anything. Ignoring a poor situation and blaming others of their own wrong doings makes them feel powerful in their own minds. The Taliban use these same tactics and they don't serve Democracy either.

Answer 2

More than 8 out of 10 millionaires in the US today are first generation.

You have equal opportunity to succeed. Those you feel hav ethe upperhand, somewhere along the line earned it. Their family made sacrifice and climbed up the ladder. Bill Gates took chances and succeeded and now his familiy will have the upper hand. Who has the right to say he isn't justified.

I am the middle/working class - but I am workignhard to move up in class and give my kids opportunity I didn;t have - that is the freakin American Dream! Why should the government take that away from me so that some bum who doesn't have the motivation to make his own way can be spoon fed.

Don;t feed the education line when "state sponsored schools" pay atheletic coaches and director millions and give out 100's of scholarships to athletes. And a person can work their way through college and not have to go deep into debt. That is one benefit of climbing in class, you get the opportunity to save for your childrens education so that they don't aquire debt.

That rich get richer and poor get poorer is BS. People choose to become richer or poorer. The poor get that way out of choice. The choice to not work harder, 2 or 3 jobs. The choice to make stupid financial decisions. The choice to waste money on beer, cigarettes, and lotto. Anyone can become rich in the country. You can become rich, lose it all, and then become rich again - look at Dave Ramsey.
So how is it that me being smart and diligent should be punished. Why should the goverment be able to take over 50% of my estate when I pass?
If you don;t like the card you were dealt work your *** off and give your kids a better hand. Don't expect the rich via the government to level off the playing field you are too lazy or ignorant to do on your own.

Droopy: You should read QBQ amd l;earn a little bit about personal responsibility - a term far removed from the liberal vocabulary.

Answer 3

Everybody does have the opportunity to succeed. Everybody that has the drive, ambition and the willingness to acquire the education and or training that is. That's why 1000s of people from all over the world often risk even death just to get here. If somebody can't succeed in the freest place on earth with the most opportunities available anywhere well then boo hoo.
Policies that "level the playing field" are straight out of the Communist manifesto. As are government run schools by the way.

Answer 4

Wow!!! well I believe in the old saying " No one can help you but you " ...

It's a nice fuzzy feeling to think you are bettering peoples lives, but throwing money at them isn't helping it's showing them that they don't have to work for it, the government will always be there to correct their lazy ways.. Sorry the truth hurts... Their are plenty of programs out there for the less fortunate, a lot of them choose not to reach for those goals.. they want the quick fix, the easy way out.

I don't know what type of up bringing you are from, if you were from a privileged home, or some where below that.. but I came from a lower class family and I can tell you first hand you have to strive to pull yourself out of that, it doesn't matter how many programs you set in place for people, it starts at home. If you have the ones you love the most telling you negative things all the time, telling you you'll never amount to anything that you will be just like everyone else around you, it's hard as hell to convince yourself otherwise (trust me I know first hand.) They do this mostly because they are terrified that you will reach a goal that they never could.. So you need to reach deeper than just government funding, it has to come from somewhere else.. Like school programs, incentives and support groups.

Answer 5

I don't hate any of the groups or class of people you mentioned. But then again, I am not advocating exorbitant tax increases on these people and demanding they pay "their fair share". This is something you liberals are constantly demanding of the wealthy. Did you know that the top 1% of wage earners pay a third of all federal income tax. And that the top 50% pay 96.7% of all income taxes? That's probably not enough for you though, is it. Soak the rich, give it to them good, take all their money!!! That's all you liberals care about.
By the way, I am typing on a second rate, cobbled together from bits and pieces used refurbished computer. I am proud to say that I am in the working class and the middle class, two of the three that you mentioned. I am in no way rich or jealous of the rich.
You liberals have got to stop your class warfare crap. It only harms you. Americans are getting fed up with it.

Answer 6

All those programs do is make things more expensive. Subsidized loans made schools charge more because they could get away with it, the consumer is less likey to complain about it. Health care the same way. Costs of things almost always spiral out of control wehn you take consumers choice out of the mix. A perfect example: Lasic eye surgery. Very few insurance programs pay for it. Most people pay for this procedure out of their pocket, or by credit. The price of this procedure has gone down, while virtually every other that is covered by insurance polcies and government programs is going UP,
I don't hate the poor. I just don't belive charity contributions should be extracted from people at gunpoint in the form of taxes. If one reads the constitition, it lays out the powers and responsibilites of the federal government. Defese is NUMBER ONE. Providing for the poor appears NOWHERE

President Grover Cleveland, upon vetoing a bill appropriating money to aid drought-stricken farmers in Texas, said, "I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and the duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."

In 1796, Rep. William Giles of Virginia condemned a relief measure for fire victims, saying that Congress didn't have a right to "attend to what generosity and humanity require, but to what the Constitution and their duty require." A couple of years earlier, James Madison, the father of our constitution, irate over a $15,000 congressional appropriation to assist some French refugees, said, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

Some people might say, "Aha! They forgot about the Constitution's general welfare clause!" Here's what James Madison said:

"With respect to the two words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."

Thomas Jefferson explained, "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

Answer 7

We encourage and pass laws necessary to nurture small business, which hires more employees than any other investment. All classes are given the opportunity to work for the American Dream.

The rich pay the highest tax bracket. They are paying the most taxes. The very poor do not pay taxes. They get returns.

The playing field is about working hard. You get what you work for; what you deserve. We have plenty of terrific social services in place.

Why are you whining?

Everything you listed exists.

Why are you whining?

Do you understand that the richest among us are liberal? They are the elite. Stop spinning.

Answer 8

Two quotes from a liberal, impressive. There is equal opportunity in this country, but you have to get of your butt and go get it. If you are poor, education is free via pell grant and state subsidies, paid for by the taxes of the rich who account for 87% of tax money collected. And I am not rich by any means, I am considered the working poor, paycheck to paycheck. I am as you put it a, con. I never once felt that the rich or my government owes me a thing. I am where I am at due to choices I made in my life. I take responsibility for my life unlike the whiners who blame Cons, Bush< republicans, The rich, basically everyone but themselves is at fault. The man you quoted created this lazy, the world owes me society and still the liberals want more. Intstead of trying to take from the rich, try to preach education, self responsibility, work programs. Someone said," If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, if you teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime." Teach the whiners to fish.

Answer 9

I am a conservative working class/middle class guy. And I certainly dont hate myself.

"""Without policies that level the playing field the rich get richer and the poor get poorer."""

Level the playing field? do you mean take from the rich and give to the poor or do you mean something else????

"""Every person regardless of social class should be given the opportunity to succeed. """

Do you actually believe that if anywhere , that this isnt the land of opportunity for all that I believe it is.
Cmon, people want to come here for a reason... illegals come here for a reason.
Everyone DOES have the opportunity, but if you sit on your butt and dont go get it well, then your goin to get poor or stay the same and some people are going to get richer.
whos fault is that.

Answer 10

Do not hate the poor as liberals do not hate the rich. What is rich Is it not true that the higher your income the higher % you pay in Federal Income tax?

The top 1 percent of income earners paid about 36.7 percent of federal income taxes and 25.3 percent of all federal taxes in 2004. The top 20 percent of income earners paid 67.1 percent of all federal taxes, up from 66.1 percent in 2000, according to the budget office.

Is that not enough?

Bush lowered the minimum tax from 15% down to 10% and basically families earning less than 36K pay no Federal income taxes?

I pay at 28%. Should I pay 35%, 40%, 50% where do we set it?

Answer 11

Thank you for giving me hope that there are nice people still in this country.

I read the other answerers hoping for more of the same but...

SERIOUSLY I think that most of those people, the conservatives, are basically just trying to protect their own interests. Partially, voting for the things liberals believe in means elevating people to the conservatives own classes (working, middle, wealthy) and that must not happen. Many of these people have their own predjudices or just plain distrust differences, whether race, religion, sex,class, region, sexual orietation, immigration status, etc.

Also tied to that is that just like the answers you see from the conservatives who responded, they really have no understanding of all the complex issues involved.

For them it is always simple: immigrant don't come here unless you have signed all the paperwork and paid all the fees, poor black person just simply get a job and don't have problems that may make you have babies out of wedlock, bad schools, etc and if you are poor and have problems, stay in one community and don't bother me, woman just get married and stay home and don't try to work on issues outside home and family, non Christian just keep your religion to yourself and don't change what I worship even if it offends you, homosexual, just don't be homosexual, or keep it out of my face and don't try to want the same relationship I have...

They are clueless (as you can read) as to how difficult it is to make it in this world when you don't think or have a life like everyone else's. And many of them are not evil, not like in the past, but they just are so cold. They have no good intentions. It is the worst kind of social Darwinism: make it or else. They do not understand having flaws.

Most the the conservatives are ordinary people, but it must be mentioned that most wealthy (including many in Hollywood) are conservative. They own nearly all corporations, family inheritances, publishing, manufacturing, etc.

Even if they are very poor, they usually don't have family problems or any complex problems, and they don't understand what that means or how it creates complex social issues.

They also strictly believe that most of these are not capable of being solved. They don't want to spend money to exert effort into them.

As for economics, as I said earlier, they do not want social mobility, just like all conservatives everywhere.

If you travel, you will find that conservatives everywhere (Asia, Africa, South America, Europe) are all the same. It is amazing.

The average person with that view is just living his or her own life and everything you wrote is not even on his or her mind.

Oh well...

I can't wait for the pendulum to swing back..