Abortion? Human, Fetus, or nothing of importance?

Question

So, I got enough answers to see that people were somewhat upset with my proposition of smoking and drinking only during the first trimester of pregnancy and then carrying it to term.

Many brought up the baby's future. Well if you can mention a future as a child and adult, isn't the extinguishing of those years actually fall into the category of murder?

So, if you concede that it's a terrible thing to do and that it would have adverse effects throughout the child's life, then why is a fetus at that point of development consider just a clump of cells?

It would seem to me, if it was just a clump of cells and not a developing human being, than doing such things shouldn't effect it later on.

afterflake- Yeah, I'm the idiot although everyone else, whether I agree with their answers or not understood the point I'm trying to make. Read it again dear, maybe something will click.

Wondermom, have you been drinking? I'm sorry, it's just that I had to read that 3 times. It's seems to me, that the drinking without the driving would should be birth control or no sex.

Wondermom, to add, a miscarriage is typically out of the woman's control. I've known some who have had them, some more than one and as early as within the first month, and they along with their husbands and parents mourned them deeply, saying they lost their baby, not that they never had one.

Answer 1

Wow, you are my hero! But, be prepared for the but, but, but game.

Answer 2

It is up to the individual to decide this status, from ova to breathing baby. It is not an issue that is amenable to the concept of 'truth' because there is no measure, any more than it can be 'true' that one shade of green is nicer than another, or that one man is hungrier than another.

Therefore, this is not an issue that state can decide- it must be up to the individual. This in no way implies that the issue is trivial or the unborn is 'not important'- only that the issue is beyond the law and government.

Posing the question as a false dilemma ('is it just a clump of cells or is it a beautiful innocent human being') is not helpful- you are oversimplifying a complex situation, presumably for tendentious reasons. Smoking will damage a future baby- just as a woman reproducing with someone with a genetic disease, or no income, will disadvantage the baby.

Not giving the unborn legal rights doesn't in any way imply that fetus has 'no value'- as any pregnant woman will tell you.

Jesus had a lot of stuff to say about injustice and sticking up for society's (born) weak, so why don't you concern yourself a little more with Jesus' issues, and a little less with the evil distractions of the man-made church?

Answer 3

All I can honestly say about it is this. Obviously, sometime between the conception and delivery, the fetus becomes a human person. I can say first hand that after 7 months in the womb that it is a human. I used to date a girl who was born two months premature.

I can also state that I have no idea when the exact moment occurs that you have an actual person in development and destroying it would be murder. Neither can anyone else no matter how many black judicial robes he/she wears.

Therefore I dare not participate in abortion since it is currently unknowable when life first appears. Only by assuming that it begins at the beginning of the process can one be sure of not committing a murder.



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Answer 4

That is an interesting moral question.

I feel that it is a baby. Hence, both smoking while pregnant and aborting it are morally wrong (abortion except if a pregnancy results from Incest, Rape, or if the pregnancy threatens the life of the woman). If a pregnant woman were near a bomb that exploded (heaven forbid) and all they found were a piece of her and piece of her baby, and did a DNA test, then you would have two genetically distinct individuals (unless they cloned the woman). If you "abort" the life of someone genetically distinct, then isn't that murder?

I respect the idea of pro-choice. It is a valid point. We all have our moral agency to decide what we want to do. As a suggestion, though, perhaps it would be good to excercise your choice, and use some kind of birth control if you don't want the kid.

Just my 10 cents on the matter.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Cheers!!

Answer 5

Here is the thing!! If a person is getting drunk and not driving then it's not a big deal. If a person is getting drunk then driving it changes everything!!
If a person is pregnant and expects to carry it. That's like getting drunk knowing they are going to be driving.
If a person is pregnant an not going to keep it. IT's getting drunk and deciding not to get behind the wheel.
However lets take the analogy one step futher! Most miscarriages happen in the first couple of months. Shouldn't those who don't believe in prochoice who are a couple of weeks late for their peroid then get their period have it test to make sure it's not a BABY after all it's a life form!! Isn't it due the same funeral services as any other member of the family??? Or if it's a miscarriage then it never was a baby??

Answer 6

It is a sad world that values their lab rats over their future. It is in fact a doomed world. I love animals, I love trees and I am all for conservation. How is it possible that with my great love for all things both great and small, I would discount the very future of my own race? I makes no sense! How can you say you are a good person because on the one hand you supported the guy who studies bears, only to get himself eaten by one, and on the other you supported the destruction of life so innocent it had not even been born yet? You can't. You would be a liar. You care for what it is convenient for you to care for. May God have mercy on you, the mercy you failed to have for others.

Answer 7

Ethically, you have a point. But your arguement fails logically--either as a legal or ethical statement. You try to make the premise (a fetus is/should be considered human) follow from the conclusion (responsible would'be parants will take care not to cause unecessary risk to the fetus).

Not saying you're wrong--jsut that you need to go back and start over.

Answer 8

I am pro-choice, but it's a baby to me. It *is* a baby. What else could those cells possibly turn into?

Again, I am pro-choice, but it should *not* be used as birth control and, unless the mother's health is at serious risk, I am not in favor of late-term abortions at all.

As I've gotten older, I have really softened my stance towards the pro-life people. I don't agree with them, and I very rarely agree with their methods, but I *do* believe they are completely sincere. If you honestly believe, in your heart of hearts, that abortion is murder, don't you owe it to your society to try and stop it?

I find it ironic that the left glorifies terrorists by calling them "freedom fighters", yet usually says the most horrific things about pro-lifers. Yet another example of why the left scares me - they can excuse just about anything but disagreement from their own countrymen.

And EXCELLENT analogy.

Answer 9

No one took your question as a smart @ss comment too. I liked your analogy, very true. Abortion is wrong, it's disgusting, it's immoral, and you should be charged with murder if you do this heinous act. It is a human being from day one no matter what any nut case tells you! It has a brain, it can feel, it is not just a clump of cells! It is human life forming more and more each day! How can people be so cruel and sick?

Answer 10

I consider it murder! if someone aborted a baby at 4months preg, to them its ok, but if that same lady where to kill her child 4 seconds after he was born, then she would go to jail for murder!!

Society is nuts.

However, I do agree with people, when they say smoking in drinking in the first trimerster, is harmful! its 2007! u know enough these days, to understand how that can effect a fetus!

Answer 11

Such conflict for Liberals! It's OK to abort a fetus but not subject one to smoking. Alot like Libs' view that you can abort innocent babies but not executed convicted murderers. Oi Vey!?!?!