You cannot win a war if you tell the enemy you're going to quit,"?

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The Vice President is 100% correct, my question is can anyone tell me has a war ever been won, by announcing to the enemy "we are leaving to go home and sulk you win"

It is absolutely sick, how can democrats actually have the nerve to even call themselves American by doing as much as OBL and Al_Q to defeat their own country.

xyz, it is a war just like against Germany, germany having borders has nothing to do with it, your still at war today against a facist ideology, only today is Islamo-facists, and they do not need borders because we fools in the west allow them, welcome them with open arms to come into our counties.

crabby_blindguy, I guess you choose the right user name blindguy, Bush and Cheney did NOT choose this war or start it, the people who flew into the towers and Pentagon declared war on US soil, Bush and Cheney responded, so are you telling me if the Democrats were in Power we would not be in Iraq, if that is the case I am 100% certain there would have been more attacks on US soil.

Answer 1

I happen to agree with you. You cannot win a war by telling the enemy what you are going to do and when you are going to do it. If an ordinary citizen were to do the same thing that person would be tried for treason. If found guilty they could be sentenced to death. I believe we should hold Congress to an even higher standard. To me when they put a quit date in the spending bill they committed treason. There are some of us who are watching what they do and who is voting for these bills, I fully intend to actively campaign against any congressman or senator who votes for this bill or any similar bills.

Answer 2

That's an interesting point that you make, and in general it is a correct statement. However, after reading "Fire in the Lake", a lot of parallels between this war and Vietnam become painfully obvious. Our government didn't want to leave that war either, but military recruiting rates fell off dramatically(just like they are doing now) and public sentiment ultimately turned against the oval office. And of course, the enemy didn't wear uniforms in Vietnam either.Also, contrary to American opinion, some people aren't ready to comprehend the idea of a democratic society.Religiously or idealistically, it is a foreign concept to them. The Vietnamese were the same way. Sure we won the war, and we're still winning. We kill way more of them everyday than they kill of us. But usually a war implies certain things, most notably, that one side is going to surrender. There was never a surrendering in this war. The government was destroyed, but they never surrendered. We captured Saddam and he surrendered, does that count? Now we are fighting a bunch of little extremist factions, how many of them need to surrender for that to count as a legitimate overall "surrendering"? And for that matter, is there still a war in Afghanistan? The Taliban never surrendered. I don't think there will ever come a time when a satisfactory definition of surrender arises. Many people think that as soon as this new Iraqi government gets on its feet and can start policing themselves, then the war will finally be over and we can leave. But we still need to heed the lesson of Vietnam. In Vietnam, the South Vietnamese government NEVER wanted us to leave, because the military dollars coming into the country were the only thing propping up the economy. The had virtually no economy of their own, even before we entered. The government made no effort to become self sufficient, because they knew that if they did, then we would leave along with our dollars. Vietnam had rice, Iraq has oil, and that's it. But as long as were there, their coffers get filled. That's why it doesn't surprise me that they still are nowhere near ready to police themselves.
So I think that before Americans start throwing sticks and stones at each other for their opinions and questioning each others sense of patriotism, we need to look back at this war and try to put it into the proper context. I feel that when we engaged in this war, it was against Saddam Hussein and his government, it's who we declared war on. OK, now he's gone and the government is gone, he surrendered and he was the number one guy. THE WAR IS OVER.
This is rebuilding, and we don't have to be there to oversee it. Otherwise if you insist that we must be there until they totally become 100% self sufficient(including weaning themselves off of our military aid) and we get every single Iraqi citizen to stop throwing sticks and stones at us, we're looking at 30-40 years or more., which will never happen because recruiting will fall to zero.

Answer 3

But you also realize we won our war against Saddam. That's what we went in for. Nobody said we'll be in Iraq trying to settle Sunni v Shiite fight.


If Osama says he likes frog would you go kill every frog? If Osama says people jumping off building saddens him would you go jump off some building?

We're not fighting terrorists in Iraq. Terrorists are egging us on to waste our energy in Iraq.

We did everything we went in to do. This not some freakin fairy tale where everybody hold hand and sing kumbaya. Israelis will fight with Palestine for long time and Sunni will fight Shiite for long time.

This is Middle East for crying out loud. Not some cozy town in USA. This is how Iraq will be for while whether we stay or not.

There is no 'we can win Iraq.' We won. We won 4 years ago when Saddam fell. What the hell are we in there now for? Just because Osama says US should get out?

This is pathetic when you let enemy dictate the direction of this whole 'war on terror.' Clearly, Osama is directing us what to do. It shouldn't be that way.

Al Quida is reponsible for less than 20% of violence in Iraq. It's Shiite v Sunni fight.

If Iraq couldn't get their act together 4 years after Saddam what difference do you think it'll make if we stay for 2, 4, 6, or 10 years. One thing for sure we'll lose more troops. Who by the way skip vacations, skip trainings, short on supplies...etc so we won't have to call draft. Real nice.

If we leave Shiite will fight Sunnis like they've been doing for last 4 years. And probably won't even notice we're gone. Al Quida won't stay in Iraq since USA isn't there and they'll go somewhere else. They're scattered through out the world anyways.

Answer 4

The Democrats are stopped in time. They do not realize that things have changed since the 60s and 70s. It's natural and understandable; people think that history moves only in a straight line.
But times have changed. The younger generation will want things to be dealt with. They will not be satisfied with perpetual appeasement. Think about your own kids; will they let the Islamist tyrants take over? I have a feeling they won't.

Answer 5

You are so right. The enemy is telling us that they are planning to blow us off the planet. And some of us are trying to play nice. It's a scary thing, but sometimes I wonder if we will have to have a Democratic president. Then we can watch these terrorrists lobbing nukes toward California and the east coast. I just hope we do not have war on our land to wake them up while they stick their heads in the sand.

Answer 6

Iraq is not a war like it was with Japan or Germany, there are no boarders, these nomads have fought for century's, it is a way of life, their value's and beliefs are a far cry from the western world, it won't matter if the U.S. pulls out tomorrow morning or ten years from now, the turmoil will always be there..

Answer 7

human beings someway get the loopy theory that the government easily follows its plans. it incredibly is not considerable whether or no longer Obama has a plan to withdraw or he does not. the reality is we can stay until we are ejected. there is no reason to flow away Iraq or Afghanistan, no longer this week, no longer next month, next 3 hundred and sixty 5 days, or maybe next century. the folk who run this united states envision the completed worldwide decrease than U.S. administration. there is no plan to flow away. it incredibly is a lie.

Answer 8

King George the Decider has already told us "Mission Accomplished". We have already supervised the execution of Saddam Hussein. The Iraqis have been given their chance to hold free elections and build democratic government. So what the heck are we still there for? Are we supposed to stay forever to get in the middle of the Sunni-Shi'ite conflict which is hundreds of years old? What benefit is it for us to stay there?

Answer 9

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard the VP say.

You also can't win a war with horrendous intelligence.
You can't win a war with no exit strategy
You can't win a war with no research into how the populace is going to react to an invasion.
You can't win a war if you don't understand the idea of Islamic Tribalism
You can't win a war by sending 1/3 of the troops your generals ask for.
You can't win a war if you send you troops over with shoddy equipment (or no equipment).

These are the mistakes the VP made. You failed Dick, we fired your party from Congress. Someone else is in charge, so STFU.

And comparing Dems to OBL shows how stupid you are.

Answer 10

This war was lost the moment we invaded. Cheney's whining because he knows that we won't be staying there for very much longer--and so, he needs someone to pin the blame on.

Other than the GOP: Whom started this war over fixed and flawed intelligence.