Why are people complaining so much about our election system?

Question

vote counting is fairer and more accurate then it's ever been in american history. Electors used to buy and sell their votes. News paperes were payed for by the candidates. On the local level large population were prevented from even voting and winners were declaired before the polls even closed.
The electoral system was set up because the founders new that counting millions of votes would be very hard and inaccurate. Also to give rural area's equal say with urban areas in running the country.

Answer 1

Funny that you dont hear about the complaints any more after Democrats won last year???

Answer 2

The real reason comes from not understanding the logic behind the structure.

I have yet to meet a Democrat who deals with the 2000 election of Bush honestly. Either they lie about having read the cases in the US and Florida Supreme Court, or they lie about the contents. Either way, it's obvious they lie, because they totally fail to mention the fact that the USSC clearly stated that no individual has a Constitutional Right to vote in the Presidential election.

Think about that. You do not have a Constitutional Right to have any input whatsoever in the Presidential election, the one that Democrats claim was "stolen" from them. It was never theirs to begin with.

The reason that is so is because it is the STATES that have the Constitutional Power to choose their own electors, ANY WAY THEY SEE FIT TO DO IT.

Now, at present, all states do subject this to a popular vote, and most provide that in their own Constitution, but the FACT is that if a State's system were to let their Governor hand-pick the electors, there wouldn't be a single thing the USSC could or would do about it. That's simply a fact, you can like it or not like it, but that's how it is.

Democrats occassionally have to face the reality of the Electoral College, and generally when they lose and want to change the rules so they would win, but they totally ignore the very reason that the Electoral College exists in the first place. It's really simple.

The President is the "President of the united States."

He is not the "President of the People of the United States."

He does NOT work for the people. He serves the Constitution that was created by and for the benefit of the several states.

Answer 3

It is not perfect but it is still as fair as any countries vote. In Ca. three cities (very liberal cities) control the state due to zoning and the large population of those cities. The rural areas of Ca. are actually Conservative and those areas make up most of the state but places like LA, San Fran, and San Diego have more impact on the state. There are other states where the opposite is probably the rule. As for the uncounted votes people speak of many of the uncounted votes are the votes of our service men and women who largely vote Republican,

Answer 4

Our system is flawed, but where I see the biggest problem is in the very beginning of the process where it basically makes it extremely difficult for minor parties and their candidates to participate. This continues beyond requiring additional petitions to disallowing these candidates from taking part in publicly-funded debates.
We'll never have a true marketplace of ideas in our elections until we have a fair and level playing field and a more equitable method of voting, like Ranked Choice or IRV.

Answer 5

No offense but I am NOT American and not that I can divise a better solution BUT I think your voting system is very unfair. I know the latest caption is "Every vote counts" but that ridiculous. If Im in a state with republican as a majority. My vote DOES NOT COUNT since there is no way democratic can win in that state anyways. So how could you call this voting system fair???

Answer 6

the method is fair, it protects the minority from the majority by giving states with smaller populations a say. and for the answerer who said that votes werent counted in Florida and that is how bush won, you arew wrong sir, Al Gore didnt want the votes counted what he wanted to counts were things that were not votes i.e. dented chads or no votes being made ( I guess he assumed if you were to stupid to push in a piece of paper than that must have meant you wanted to vote for him)

Answer 7

the candidates end up "buying" our votes using media, unfair and untrue claims about themselves and their opponents, etc. However, usually people complain about everything, and always think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. It's a vote. When one person wins, the loser always complains.

Answer 8

Your analysis would perhaps be true if the government worked.

However, it doesn't work much at all, I suggest.

The time it takes to count votes has little to do with how well an "elective" system works.
Our representatives are using a "public interest' dictatorship model as to how they should do their job, which is collectivist, not about individual rights at all.
Machines that don't work, aren't maintained, and an election to which half the population doesn't even bother to go are clearly part of what I assert is a thoroughly bad system.

Yes, the "elective" part of the "system" is better than some people's system in other countries. but the purpose of such a system, even if people weren't being lied to by Republicans wanting to prevent them voting, or being physically intimidated; or being deluded by false and brainwashing negative advertising; or being cheated by planted fake news; or being discontexed by brainwashing false headlines and propaganda in favor of imperial presidential powers etc;--even if none of those crimes were being committed, there are still 3 overriding problems with the present totally unAmerican US system:

1. What politicans do in Washington isn't working. We have a bad, unresponsive government. It's not just the needless Iraq, Afghanistan, and foreign relations disasters; it's lies about a failing economic system, oil dependence and doing nothing about alternative fuels for 60 years; bad education; bad arts; and no court system, no justice in the workplace, failing the eco-sphere, etc.
2. The elective system has no categorical 'shields' in place; no regulations compel people to use different language while expressing unsupported beliefs on the one hand as versus attested facts on the other; no difference in wordage is required when you spout a subjective evaluation while I define a standards-based, concept-based value standard and suggest an application of it; and no difference is made between false claims and a scientifically offered proof of what's real on the other.
3. And this system of lies, name-calling and outright self-serving deceptions costs millions and millions of dollars--far more than any system in the world--and it's been sold out years ago to the bribes of corporate types who have stolen 85% of the Fed's toilet paper printed money, along with bureaucrats and postmodernist academic pretenders to fake knowledge; so, the rest of us are left with two people in the family making 40% of the purchasing power after essentials, even with both working, that our fathers earned on one salary in 1940. So, while manufacturing jobs are sent overseas and CEOs, banks, credit card companies and the IRS and executives steal unearned millions (and multimillionaires pay no taxes), the national debt is pushed to record heights and all the wrong types are given dictatorship over our lives.
And there is no court of business relations to do anything about abuses, fraud, coercion, cheating and the depriving of older more experienced workers of their right to work and to live.
Sorry, but people are beginning to know our system is totally broken, morally rotten and needs to be fixed. And that you can't wreck the balance of powers, pack the Supreme Court with right-wing crazies, and set up a gangster-like US theocracy in all but name and expect the huindreds of millions of unhappy victims not to notice that something is being perpetrated.
Such as that they have no court system to whom they can complain. My senior building's residents were told if they have a complaint against the management they'd need to write to the Attorney General of California about it. Does that sound like government to you--or does it sound like the complete absence of a government?

That's what is wrong with elections in this country, I say. And that's why people don't bother voting, except, out of fear, any longer. Because they know it won't make a difference in their lives.

Answer 9

Because liberals don't know a "chad" from a hole in the ground.
FACT: If the dems lose, it was "rigged" or they "point their fingers" the machines are broken etc etc etc

If they win, the system suddenly becomes perfect. :)

Answer 10

Because it's far from perfect ? Case in point : the votes that were not counted in Forida that allowed George Bush to win his first office.