Why don't people realize that bringing the troops out of Iraq would be devastating for this country and Iraq?

Question

Invading Iraq was probally a mistake, but we have to take responsilbity for it and finish the job. If we leave Iraq to soon it will become over run by chaos and terrorist as Afganistan was and we just have to fight another war their eventually. We will lose power in the middle east and our influence will fall. On top of that, millions of MORE innocent Iraqis will die then if we stayed. When we left Vietnam, millions died as a result and our the region fell apart. Democracy world wide would suffer and our middle east relations would detrioriate.


So my question is, why don't people realize surrender is not an option in Iraq?

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE WAR, THIS IS THE BEST AND ONLY SOLUTION TO END IT, PERIOD

ONE MORE THING:


ITS NOT A CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 1

Smirza ... Well, you're absolutely correct. Frankly, I don't know why people don't realize what the likely outcome will be from an early withdrawal. They're either ignorant, inexperienced, or they just don't want to know. There may even be some U.S.-haters mixed into that group too.

As for your comments and observations, you are correct. However, in addition, I'd like to add this. With a destabilized Middle East, other negative scenarios are likely:

• Iran has been making very threatening statements against other countries in the region as well as promising to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth.

• Iran and North Korea are good buddies. Between the nuclear weapon research being conducted in both those countries and the long-range delivery techniques they both have been working on, greater danger is a certainty.

• The last time there was a major disruption to the flow of oil from the Middle East in 1973, it was a world-wide economic catastrophe due to the effects directly attributable to the embargo: (see the first link below)
a - Price of oil quadrupled!
b - Equity markets tumbled
c - The U.S. suffered its first fuel shortages since World War II which sparked rationing, fuel station closings, people waiting in line at gas station for HOURS!
d - Increased inflation and unemployment
e - Economic recession

I suspect some people reading your question have no clue as to why the Berlin Wall was finally taken down, nor why the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact collapsed after more than four long decades of "cold war." These positive outcomes did not occur by magic and they didn't happen because the U.S. and our allies stayed at home, practicing isolationist policies.

In fact, more than six decades after the end of World War II, the U.S. keeps a substantial presence in the areas we defeated. Now, though, our presence in these areas is supportive as allies in defense of peace. Examples:

World War II was over in 1945; the Korean cease fire took effect in 1953 (the Korean War is not officially ended). Yet, thousands of U.S. military personnel remain deployed in these areas. These troop figures represent just some of the large force deployments the U.S. maintained as of June 2006. The 2nd link shown below is an official Defense Department web site that provides this data:

Europe — 97,000
Japan — 34,000
Korea — 29,000
Afghanistan — 23,000
Iraq — 165,000
Deployed worldwide aboard ships — 126,000

So, in summary, you're absolutely correct, of course, and all I wanted to do was reinforce your points with other relevant facts.

Thanks for a really good question.

Answer 2

well... the thing you don't address is:

HOW DO WE FIX IT?

basically, how do you solve a civil war that's based on religion?

you, Bush and no one has a clue... and you hope standing there getting bombed will eventually do some good...

but what if the pot is shattered into so many pieces that Bush's men can't put it together again?

how many years and lives do you want to spend figuring it out?

the DOD even said some areas are in civil war... does the department of defense know less than you do?

please, I would like your answers to these questions...

and just to correct you, democracy didn't suffer world wide from us leaving Vietnam, just like people like you said it would... and could our middle east relations get worse?

EDIT: you've got this nice little picture in your head of "what Iraq is"... and you don't really care how it actually is... I see it every day, 100 dead in this attack, mass grave found here, next day, same story... what is a civil war exactly then? are they making up the car bombings? the death squads?

Answer 3

finish what job ? the mistake?,,, Iraq is in chaos NOW,,,, Afghanistan has been taken over by the Taliban again,, our troops need to be there,,, what influence,, we have no credibility anywhere in the world,,,, too many innocent Iraqi's have already died with the failed Bush doctrine,,, leaving Vietnam was not an option,, the American people demanded that we get out,,, who wants to surrender ?

if you don't stop watching FOX,, you will never really know what is going on in the world,, much less the United States of America,, are you an American,, if so,, shame on you,, for your ignorance,,, go to school,,,, go back to school,, learn to read,,,

Answer 4

People have strong feelings on both sides of this issue.

One that I cannot quite explain to someone is the need to lie to the citizenry to engage the country in a war that surely gives the appearance of being contrived for profit purposes for cronies of the White House... the super rich and powerful, who are profiteering at the expense of the war effort presently underway, and NOT ONE SOLITARY government personnel questioning the ridiculous fees being paid out! It goes beyond scandal; it borders on criminal but the "powers that be" would surely make a call and end any investigation or any possible suit or legal action brought about.

The other issue is the fact that those promoting this war are NOT engaged in the actual war nor are they in any way, shape of form risking their fundaments in the war but do have the nerve to encourage others to join and get shot at, or risk getting maimed, being disabled (lose of limbs) or coming back in a coffin (and neither the President nor the Vice President has had the testicular fortitude to attend one solitary funeral of the 3,300+ military personnel killed in action). Also, let's not forget the most recent scandal on the Vet Hospitals (dilapidated conditions, inferior medical personnel, inept, inefficient deadbeat and malfeasant hospital personnel).

Yes, it would be a terrible thing to just pull out and leave those that are in favor of a permanent government at the hands of the terrorists and those who favor mass murder and lawlessness, genocide, etc... but... does the populace in Iraq and Afghanistan know or understand what democracy is...? Will the moolahs and religious fanatics that exist only to rule by force permit democracy? HOW LONG do we continue to send OUR men and women to risk their lives until the people of those countries start taking responsibility for their own country? HOW LONG will it take the Iraqi and the Afghanistanis to take matter into their hands and stop relying on American soldiers? Are American forces supposed to stay there another 30 years or 20 years...? WHEN are they (Iraqis and Afghanistanis) going to step up to the proverbial plate and take over their own country and government? ARE they also going to turn around and form another murderous dictatorship and become our enemies, too? Don't you think the American public, especially those going over there in uniform risking their lives, deserve to know the TRUTH?

Spewing names, spewing slogans and rhetorical propaganda without facts and evidence is not the anwer nor will it lead to resolutions. "Libs" and "Repukes" and "cowards" and "anti-Americans" and "sheep" and "lemmings" and whatever else... how is that going to resolve the issue at hand? Is that the level of intelligence that we have trying to come up with a resonable resolution to this issue? If so, we're all in big trouble!

Answer 5

Did you ever notice that the people who promote an immediate withdrawal or a set date for withdrawal never use the word surrender? This is the spin - you see, it's because the American people more than likely will not buy into a policy of surrender, but that is, in my opinion, exactly what the democrats are advocating - surrender.
The war drags on, the times get tough - and, bingo, it's let's get out of there time for the democrats - with no consideration what so ever for the consequences.
It's easy to understand that the vast majority of Americans want our troops home and they want peace - but at what cost? It's very short sighted to adopt another policy of inaction and no effective response to the terror and murder perpetrated by these dirt bags - but isn't that pretty much what we did prior to 9/11? Why would anyone want to revert back to this policy.
Beats me.

Answer 6

First of all, it's not a war, but an attempt to stabilize the country. Second of all, we aren't fighting in their civil war.

Answer 7

they bnrowbeat bush into doing something like this...then they will say it was the way he led the troops out of iraq that made it a failure....he cant win with them...best to just ignore the fools and get on with doing whats right for the copuntry....democrats are starting to be a waste of time....even that is part of their agenda...every second not pushing the right american way to do things they take as a bash on bush...so while they take up his time with nonsense, they still blame him for not getting it right, even when he does it the way they want....they are just a bunch of fools who cant see the forest for tree they are hugging....

Answer 8

It doesn't matter how long we stay there. As soon as we leave the factions will fight until one of the is dormant.

Answer 9

I find it amazing that you are willing to have more American troops killed, maimed and mentally scarred, so that 'Iraqis stop killing each other'. They are doing it right now, with US troops right in the middle of this mess.
If they insist on killing each other, let them.

Answer 10

You have answered exactly in the way it should be treated and this is why president Bush is staying his course! Bravo for your insight and a gold star to you!