Are We Losing in Iraq Because the Troops are Losers?

Question

The most advanced military machine in history is being out-smarted and out-fought by a bunch of sandal-wearing cab drivers.
Is it because 99% of the troops are Wal-Mart rejects who were failures in civilian life?

I served in the Army for 10 years, including ODS.

Answer 1

No. It is because the insurgents are also too scared to identify themselves. Instead they choose to hide among civilians. For that reason alone, they are not protected by the Geneva Conventions.

Answer 2

the answers I give are my own opinion or view and you can agree or disagree.

First, we're not losing in iraq. our leader said mission accomplished. don't know why we haven't set them up and come home by now.

and the second part:
we are not being outsmarted or out fought. where do you get that from? after studying the video from both sides of the conflict, it is apparent to me that most of the population is working together to ambush our forces. they don't want us there no more. they want to fix it themselves.

not sure what ODS is, but having a very good knowledge of the military I can say that the US forces are the best trained, most motivated Army in the world. We know as warriors for our Nation means we fight for Freedom and nothing else.

if you served 10 years, I'm suprised at your statement. I was a screwup in the army but I also was a damn good soldier. Anyone who has served one day in our military should be more supportive of his fellow troops.

if you honestly think were losing iraq, dig out a history book baby, cause theres a war I was in (under republicans) that you can learn about.

it's the only War the United States ever lost.

Answer 3

Our troops are not losers.However they may not have the training necessary to fight this kind of enemy. They are learning. Don't kid yourself, they are more than camel jockeys or sandal wearing cab drivers. You seem to be snobbish if you are really convinced that so many of our troops are Wal-Mart rejects and failures in civilian life.

My question to you is this. If our troops are so bad why don't you volunteer to show them the correct way to do things. I am sure they could use your services in Iraq as a member of the USMC. I urge you to enlist tomorrow morning. Show those people what a snob can do.

I read something years ago where a well known general stated that if you do not respect your enemy you may underestimate him and thus he will defeat you.

Answer 4

Hell No, the troops we have in country are amongst the best warriors on earth!, 2 things to keep in mind.....

1) the troops don't make our defense policy, they enforce it!
2) whoever elected and supported the current white house has empowered this loose cannon president to go into Iraq without an effective exit plan!

Yes the United States does an excellent job at kicking a.s.s. but our end game for this one is in limbo!

Answer 5

Stupid question. That would be like asking why a little thing like an aids virus is better than Humans. The soldiers in the military are the best people that this country has ever produced. At least they are doing something and not hiding safly in the states. They are winning the war it is just being sold that we are losing so that the liberals can get back to "taking care if the Amecian people" which they think are incabableof doing it without the governments help.

Answer 6

LOL!!!

We are "losing" in Iraq because there's no winning.

I mean, what exactly are we trying to achieve in this situation? Peace in the Middle East? Go invade a country, bomb the hell out of it, leave the civilians in a constant state of social unrest; yeah, surely that's gonna bring peace.

Are we trying to improve the lives of Iraqi civillians? Well, over 60,000 Iraqi civillians have died as a direct or indirect result of this war. People are bombing and killing each other on a daily basis. Is that our idea of improvement?

Oh yeah, what about those nifty little weapons of mass destruction? The U.N. sent people over there specifically to seek them out; and what did they find? Nothing.

They say that "well, there are no WMDs, but Saddam Hussein's gone. Everything's gonna be better". Okay, we got Saddam, he got executed, hell...someone even sneaked a camera phone into the gallows and took a video of it, and what did we get? More US and coalition troop deaths, more Iraqi civilian deaths; no peace.

So, no; we're not losing 'cause the troops are losers. We're losing because we got in there to find something that didn't exist, we're losing 'cause we stayed there in the guise of trying to achieve peace only to screw things up more; and we're losing because even after more and more of the congress people are starting to realize that the war was a mistake, our administration and it's allies still stubbornly insist to not only stay there but pump billions of dollars at a time to this losing cause. That's why we're losing.

It was a mistake to begin with and the longer we're there, the deeper in the hole we're gonna be.

I can see the thumbs downs coming now, but oh well...

Answer 7

OK you had to ask this for the Shock value and are looking to see how many of the audience will scream back at you .
that being said here is my answer.
I for one do not think the fault lies with in our armed forces.
Quite frankly it is the fact that many of the soldiers from the opposite side have been trained from very young ages to fight in a military manner. Living like that you learn by rote fight or die.
As for your impunity of both sides of this fight with racial slurs . Learn to take an objective look at both cultures.

Many of the people in our services hold degrees that had they not chosen to take the path of patriotism they would be pursuing their other dream or carrying out what they have already achieved.
To say our forces are rejects shows your failure to look at he facts .
Out smarted no out fought yes.. but only because we hold to the rules that have been laid out . Respecting the people who are innocent in this battle . look at the statistics ,, how many civilians have been killed by their own fellow country man .
Machines are only as good as the preplanning of the person creating them . They don't know they only do . That is truly not what our armed forces are about .

Answer 8

No, its because:

The Allied troops are fighting a politcally correct war. Instead of going all out and killing everyone, they are tip toeing around for fear of being brought to justice for anything. If the troops back in World War II did the same then Hitler would have won because his troops were ruthless, lucky that ours were too.

Blame the namby pamby brigade who shout "Foul" at anything remotely non politcally correct.

Answer 9

Never! We have the best fighting force in the history of man!

They are very smart, well trained and can do their job very well, thank you.

What we have is an idiot congress that doesn't know its place under the Constitution. The president is commander in chief.

Congress is trying to micro manage the war and they will screw up royally just like they did in 'Nam.

I am a Viet Nam Vet. I would like to say I have nothing but the highest respect for our troops where ever they are.

I am very proud of them, I was drafted, they joined....THANK YOU!!!!

Answer 10

It's an impossible war to win. Nobody learns from history, you can't win a war against an enemy you can't find, an enemy that melts into the back ground. Saddam's Army was crushed in a matter of days, so the troops are far from Losers, but they may as well be brought home now.

Answer 11

**http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2063843

In my personal experience, I know many Soldiers, officer and enlisted, with 4-year degrees and higher. Most O-5s and above that I know have at least a Masters degree. Several of my enlisted Soldiers have 4-year degrees. I even had an E-4 with a PhD. The field I work in requires pretty high test scores, so we probably attract more of the enlisted Soldiers with degrees, but in short, I think there are plenty of Soldiers with formal education to go around.

For actual statistics, the Army G-1's annual profile is the place to go (these statistics are just Army, not the entire military, but the links for the other services are at the bottom). For 2005, here was the breakdown for education for Active Duty Army Soldiers:

Officers: <.1% High School Diploma, 1.3% Some College/AA, 58.4% BA/BS, 40.3% MA/PhD, <.1% Other/Unknown

Warrant: <.1% GED, 8.4% High School Diploma, 61.3% Some College/AA, 24.9% BA/BS, 5.2% MA/PhD, .1% Other/Unknown

Enlisted: 6.9% GED, 76% High School Diploma, 7.2% Some College/AA, 4.7% BA/BS, .6% Masters/PhD, 4.6% Other/Unknown



**MAYBE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS.........

Two Army Units Will Forgo Desert Training
By Robert Burns
The Associated Press

Tuesday 27 February 2007

Rushed by President Bush's decision to reinforce Baghdad with thousands more U.S. troops, two Army combat brigades are skipping their usual session at the Army's premier training range in California and instead are making final preparations at their home bases.

Some in Congress and others outside the Army are beginning to question the switch, which is not widely known. They wonder whether it means the Army is cutting corners in preparing soldiers for combat, since they are forgoing training in a desert setting that was designed specially to prepare them for the challenges of Iraq.

Army officials say the two brigades will be as ready as any others that deploy to Iraq, even though they will not have the benefit of training in counterinsurgency tactics at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, Calif., which has been outfitted to simulate conditions in Iraq for units that are heading there on yearlong tours.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said Monday she is concerned about the "less-than-ideal training situation" for the 4th Stryker Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division, which is based in her state and is one of the two brigades that did its final training at home. That brigade is to go to Iraq in April, one month earlier than planned.