Iran : Can the patience of the West be pushed any further ?

Question

The current crisis over the UK sailors illustrates exactly why Iran cannot under any circumstances be trusted with nuclear power. Isn't it about time for the international community to accept this and sanction the military removal of their program ?

Incidentally I was against the Iraq invasion, but against this regime and for the protection of the world as we know it, there does seem to be little alternative.

Answer 1

There was far more justification for going to war in Iraq than there would be in Iran. I was for the invasion of Iraq at the time, for one reason only: to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein. Later I had to admit I'd failed to see the extent of the American and British deception and ineptitude.

There is no proof whatever that Iran is aiming to make nuclear weapons. Iran has been the victim of western hostility ever since 1979 when they finally got rid of the Shah who, with western help, had bled the country dry for decades.

I could tell the whole story of the reason for the Iran hostage crisis and how that led to US hostility against Iran dictating their whole Middle East policy ever since, including arming Saddam for 8 years in a war of aggression against Iran that cost 3 million lives. And why Bush Snr didn't finish off Saddam in 1991, provoked the Shias to rise up and have 200 000 killed by the remains of Saddam's army. There's too much to go into here.

Now the West is again portraying Iran as the big threat in the Middle East. Ahmadinejad was misquoted as saying he wanted to "wipe Israel off the map". He actually said the Zionist regime that controls Jerusalem should disappear from history. Not quite the same thing. He was saying that East Jerusalem should not for ever be ruled by Israel, and that a different kind of regime, not one that promotes only Jewish identity, should rule in Israel.

But you can bet that Israel knows more than anyone else the progress of Iran's nuclear programme, and that they will strike if and when they have to.

Answer 2

One: why did previous administrations not do something about the then situ of Iran
Two: the US is currently tied into the 60day sanction hence assume no military action for now
Three: international community consists of those with the loudest voices and the most clout in the UN, ie fancy drafts/sanctions/speeches are deemed sufficient to protect against the perceived risk of Iran
Four: as per usual expect the US and the UK to do most of the fighting assuming war occurs
Five: back to One, why did previous action in years gone by not take place assuming the information / evidence holds sufficient water to carry through to "safety", even if the US hits Iran they won't be able to knock out the nuclear programme completely
Six: oh yes agreed, resources, oil, funding via congress, how plentiful and likely are those two realistic and important issues going to be and be forthcoming???

Answer 3

The invasion of Iraq was wrong, because Iraq had no nuclear weapons, of course the world now knows that. Iran is a different story, even if they did not use the nuclear programme for weapons ,they may give or sell the weapons to a fanatic nation,or terrorist. These fanatics dream is to die for their cause ,so retaliation in kind to them would be just doing them a favour. But that would be after they had caused massive death and destruction to innocent millions. I hope this problem can be delt with by diplomatic proccess but after the episode with our sailors ,time will tell.

Answer 4

Patience it will have to be. To all those so eager to invade Iran: get out a map and look at it. Iran is five times as large as Iraq. It also has three times as many people. Considering how well things have gone in Iraq, and considering how depleted our resources are at every level, exactly how is this going to be accomplished? Bush didn't even ask for higher taxes or a military draft to make this military effort a success. Both would be necessary starting immediately to even begin to seriously consider invading Iran.

And for those who just want to "nuke'em," welcome to World War III. Suddenly we would be fighting the entire Islamic world. Good luck. I'm going back to work on my bomb shelter.

Answer 5

Lets just get it done, we all know whats going to happen, us and the Yanks are ganna invade, remove the present government, replace it with one controlled and financed from Washington and then move on to invade another area of the globe that in the opinion of the USA is a threat to world peace.
The sailors, poor sods, are just the excuse we have been looking for.
It's like pulling off a plaster, doing it quick is better than doing it slow.....so lets go.

Answer 6

It seems to be impossible to reason with the Islamofascists. They are dead set on destroying Western civilization. Skyscrapers, subways, childrens schools. The level of hatred spewing from the Middle East is intolerable and too dangerous to ignore. Amazingly, the Western countries have paid the Arabs for their oil fair and square. Why the hatred? Who can wait around for a first (second)strike? The moderates in Iran, if they exist, have only 3-4 months to get their fanatics out of control of Iran.

Answer 7

It's going to HAVE to be. Because unless YOU'RE willing to be Drafted into the Army, and willing to pay higher taxes, and willing to shell out 5 or 6 dollars a gallon for gas, there's NO WAY we can afford to enter into a war with Iran. We BLEW our chance to do that- when we threw it away in Iraq.

Answer 8

Brian is absolutely right.

Answer 9

oh yes, we got quit a ways to go.