Is anyone else tired of the same tired rhetorical "if we leave it will emboloden the terrorists?"?

Question

aren't they already "emboldened"? There are no more 'terrorists" unless the U.S. is included. Who is anymore "terrorist' than us! We have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. And we have sustained the loss of over 3,200 American lives.
Now.
Someone tell me WHY. What have we gained!?

Senate votes for Iraq withdrawal by next March
Defying veto threat, lawmakers attach timeline to $122 billion funding bill•

March 27: By a slim majority, the Senate on Tuesday voted to keep a withdrawal timeline in Iraq funding bill.

John McCain, R-Ariz., a presidential hopeful, said that “we are starting to turn things around” in the Iraq war and that a timeline for withdrawal would embolden the terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere."
"The effect of the timeline would be to “snatch defeat from the jaws of progress in Iraq,” agreed Joe Lieberman, who won a new term last fall in a three-way race after losing the Democratic nomination to an anti-war insurgent.

It is all such bs. It really is.
The United States government. Forever devoted to an almost religious pursuit of death and destruction.
How pathetic.

I must laugh. It is always the same old aswers. First I'm not a "liberal". I have no political affiliation. At all! I think for myself. I don't need a "label" as most of you do. And second, what I find here is that if I criticize something being done in the United States, or I don't say EXACTLY what you want, you "invite me" in fact, you have the AUDACITY to invite me to leave the Untied States.
A country not even your own. You see, I may be young, but I have learned a lot about this great USA-- who live by the sword, and who ascribe to a certain kind of thievery which you call accomplisment.

Answer 1

the Bush Doctrine has emboldened the enemy,, his failure to kill or capture Osama bin Laden as he stated he would,, just after 9-11,, has emboldened the enemy,,, the memo that lay on the Vice Presidents desk on 9-11 emboldened the enemy,, because George W. was asleep at the switch for more than 8 months,, one (the month of August 2000) of which he spent on vacation in Crawford, Texas,,,, and allowed 4 commercial airlines in our country to be boarded by the terrorist's,,, that attacked our country,,, the US Congress has a failed president with a failed policy to deal with,, our enemies are watching to see what the people do,,, when Bush and his cronies are gone, all their lies and dirty tricks,,, hopefully Democrats will then win back the confidence of Americans and regain our respect throughout the world,, until then,,,,
the citizens of the US of A,,, have traitors and criminals running rampant in the White House like a growing cancer.

Answer 2

Yes, I am extremely tired of this "emboldening the enemy" argument. It is pure and utter nonsense.

Embolden the enemy? Do these people actually think that invading Iraq hasn't created more terrorists (aka emboldened more enemies) than leaving Iraq ever would? It's absurd. What exactly are we going to accomplish by keeping our military in Iraq? There is no war to win any more, we won the war within weeks of when it started -- now we're involved in a pointless occupation that can only end in defeat according to the goals set out by conservatives. Iraq is not going to be a functioning democracy any time soon. It will take decades of occupation to pacify the country to the point that we can withdraw and not cause chaos. Honestly, this is why it was a horrible idea to invade in the first place. But now what? I don't know that there is a "good" solution. We can continue to occupy the country, and put our soldiers at risk, and continue creating more and more anti-American sentiment in the middle east... or we could pull out now, and send the country into chaos for at least a few years, giving terrorists another talking point about how America has no backbone (which any rational person would reject as an absurd argument -- how does a country that successfully invaded two different nations in less than 2 years have no backbone?).

Honestly, I see no attractive solution. We shouldn't have invaded in the first place. Since we did, we never should have bogged ourselves down in nation building. Since we did, we are left with two unattractive options - both of which will "embolden" our enemies.

Answer 3

No, what is pathetic is your view of world events and of America. Yes a time line emboldens the terrorist. That gives them a drop dead date for more serious actions, but you know that right? Why do "we" have to gain anything from this war, why can't the Iraqi people gain something from it, and they have. We haven't killed hundreds of thousands of innocents, they have, we kill insurgence and other combatants. You are sick and need help! We have sustained the loss of 3200 Americans at their choice to give the Iraqi people a chance for freedom and a democracy, which they took mind you! How soon you forget that freedom is NOT cheap and that it takes time, but you being a liberal moca latte drinking fast food breast fed moron have no clue that about how long this takes and how many sacrifices are made by our troops (my son being one of them). In one freakin battle we lost 7,000 Marines and 30,000 Japanese in 30 freakin days on Iwo Jima, in one battle that lasted 15 minutes in the Korean War, the Chinese lost 17,000 men trying to over run an artillery outpost, in WWII the Russians and the Germans lost almost 6 MILLION people in the battle of Stalingrad!

There has been so much given in Iraq and so much progress made that you have no clue as to what you are saying, but just sit there and spout the party line. I would rather you grab a rifle and stand a post and give them a simple thank you......you moron!

USMC Vietnam 67-68

Answer 4

Yea, I know exactly what you are talking about, it is the same thing they said in the 70's about Laos, Cambodia and Viet Nam. And you know what, they were right, the killing was horrible beyond belief and the dems in congress sat around and watch it with the hippies saying what a glorious thing they had accomplished.

Are you a registered member of the party or are you just a wanna be.

Answer 5

I'm not tired of it , I fear it. Where are these hundreds of thousands of people we killed?That haven't been that many deaths in both wars combined. I guess you believe the lives we lost on 9/11 are acceptable. Do you honestly believe that if we bring our guys home that the terrorist will just say , " okay that's it , we'll leave you alone now". Get real . These are not nice people who want to be our friends.

Answer 6

No...I'm not, because it's true.
This war has probably seen one of the least amount of casualties of wars and it can't be put on a time-line..wars never can be or you lose.
If we pull out without an outcome causing it (winning or losing), then those men who gave up their lives basically did it for nothing.

We are the land of the free because of the brave...you've forgotten that, I guess.

Answer 7

Oh gawd !! What I'm tired of is people like yourself that are full of foolishness to the point that emotion is over riding any common sense that you might possess.Unless you were visually and hearing impaired on A.D 9/11/01,you should have no excuse in denying the threat that is thrust upon us by radical Islam.

Answer 8

Perhaps, those who are saying that should say "further" at the end of "if we embolden the terrorists." Bill Clinton already did a great job emboldening them when he refused to take bin Laden every time he was offered him and when he didn't do anything about the bombing of the USS Cole but shake his finger at them. I think he thought it was all rhetoric, too.

Answer 9

If America surrenders, you think a victory against a super power will not embolden the enemy?

Think again.

Answer 10

I can't tell you what we've gained. We've lost the respect of countries that respected us before the Iraqi war.
When this war started, I remember being promised it would be quick. In and out, hopefully in a few months. Here it is 4 years later, thousands and thousands will never see their families again and billions, that could be used in this country, are being spent cleaning up the mess we've made. How dare they ask for more time.