who thinks that the 15 navy personnel captured by the iranians were actually in iranian waters?

Question

i always like to take an impartial view of the news that is presented to me on TV, internet, radio etc simply because the people who 'run the show' want me tsee, read and hear what THEY want me to read thereby concealing a lot of the truth about certain events.

I watched Tony Blair on a BBC interview about the 'crisis' and his unrehearsed interview lacked any passion, determination, genuine care and even any credibility when talking about the captured personnel - to me i felt i couldn't believe a word he was saying.

so from this one could ask many questions about the credibility of the UK's allegations.

so were the navy personnel really trespassing ?

to me the whole affair seems to have been choreographed in some way

what do you all think??

bear in mind we're running out of oil and without oil there'll be little left of what we have around us now. Once oil has run out it'll be a case of all good things must come to an end i guess

read
http://www.newcolonist.com/world_without_oil.html

evidence ?? they showed the UN evidence that had weapons of mass destruction - in this case i would doubt any credibility to any evidence the UK produces

sorry forgot to add the word iraq

Answer 1

I don't think they were in Iranian waters at all. Iran thinks by doing things like this that they will be able to draw the west into another unpopular situation in the Mideast. There's one heck of a lot of tension over there right now and I think that's why Blair's response lacked enthusiasm. I think he just wanted to choose his words very carefully.

Answer 2

I guess if I had to fall off a fence, I would say that they were in Iraqi waters. That, of course, would mean that the Iranian's would have been in Iraqi waters.

I share your slight cynicism of the TV media, they do tend to run with their own agenda, so, an open mind is essential. With regard to Blair, I am afraid that I have never regarded him as a sincere individual, so there was no change for me there.

Yes, oil is vital for the West, and much of it is under the control of countries/regimes that are not entirely friendly to the west. Trying to ensure future supplies therefore, must always be a part of any plans. Iran, we are told, supplies arms and men to keep the insurgency going in Iraq.

I never really understood why Iraq was a target in the war against terror, although, without thinking about too much at the time, I assumed that there must be factors that the general public were not aware of. Later, I thought that, because the Saudis appeared to be funding terror camps in Afghanistan, and supporting religious hate schools on a routine basis, that the Americans wanted to target them, but before they could, they needed to ensure that they had a supply of oil from another source. This is purely speculation on my part.

Notwithstanding, I am not keen to cast doubt, particularly on an international forum like this, on the motives and credibility of my own Government, despite what I might suspect privately. On an international stage, I feel that I should be loyal and supportive, otherwise, anarchy may eventually ensue. Call me old fashioned.

PS - Regarding the fifteen captives. My understanding of the protocols in such circumstances, is that, the first course of action, is to order the offending vessel out of Iranian waters, and not to capture the vessel unless they refused to obey.

Answer 3

Not me. During desert storm this sort of crap happened more often than not. Nothing came out of it except the whole world new that Iran was lieing through the teeth. These British ships do have and come equip with GPS equipment which will prove their case the Iranians haven't got that sort of sophistication in their systems. The the truth will come out. If I'm wrong looks like I might owe them an apology but I let history prove me right.

Answer 4

whichever is the truth - whether they were in Iranian waters or Iraqi waters -the navy personnel were _exactly where they were supposed to be_
I have seen _some_ of the equipment that the navy uses... you think a handheld GPS is clever? you havent seen anything!
even a small craft would have been carrying Military GPS, electronic charts and would have been continuously monitiored from the mother vessel.

it is quite suspicious that the iranians were out, patrolling, in force on an iranian public holiday.

but, its not wise to underestimate the military mindset... ours, or theirs

Answer 5

In Iranian waters? - certainly not. Iran is one of those really sad countries that care nothing about anyone else. Our personnel should be released immediately or Iran will be held to account. Since the 80's this dumb country has proved itself to be very controversial beyond comprehension....NEVER TRUST THEM - they are nutters like North Korea.

Answer 6

Of course they were not in Iranian waters. This is an excuse by the Iranian Government to put pressure on us at a time of proposed embargos. Blackmail is another word.

Answer 7

Tony Blair must have a head full of problems to think about ...a lot of people aren't happy with his parties actions..the war in Iraq...home office issues...but whatever Iran should not hold these people they should release them....they are risking possible conflict....it could be choreographed but what are you suggesting...that our government could be giving itself a reason to go war with Iraq

Answer 8

Iran just wants to unify the population to avoid facing public backlash over its nuclear plans.

Capturing British servicemen and women is an easy way to distract the nation.

Answer 9

The territory is DISPUTED. The British recognise it as Iraqi territory so they would say they were not trespassing. The Iranians recognise the area as part of Iran so according to Iranian laws they were trespassing. It is all about political boundaries.

Answer 10

oh such a tricky subject. If there was a clandestine mission then, no, they ain't gonna be telling us.
If it was a genuine fact that we were outside of Iranian waters then how do you prove it anyway?
Thirdly, the US have subversively overthrown Iran twice already this century and now that we are Bush's ***** who's to say that this isn't connected? They are after having a third stab after all...
Oh for a big magic world leader rubber (eraser for you americans lol)