9/11 Conspiracy?

Question

Here is an interesting article from the "Father of Reaganomics" about 9/11. What do you think? Attacking me personally will only give creedence to alterntive theories. So if any of you think I am crazy, I am sure you would be willing to debate. Please read the article before responding.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/270307Evidence.htm

It is absolutly amazing how ignorant people are about 9/11. How can responses like these be taken seriously? By the way, the article talks about how Griffin is debunking the erroneous Popular Mechanics report that has no substance whatsoever. Amazing how you all can't even answer basic questions about 9/11, and I am a traitor. Please explain that? I love my country and do not want criminals at high levels of government. "In times of revolutionary deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"- George Orwell

A Balrog- 9/11 was a conspiracy, no matter if it were 19 hijackers conspiring to crash planes- no evidence or rouge elements of the U.S government- mountain of evidence that would lead to this. You have to ask yourself- If they were sick enough to carry this out, then why would they confess? Why in the world would you think someone wuld confess? how often do you see serial killers or murderers turn themselves in? YOu give no evidence to support the officail story. How many ppl were involved in the Tuskegee experiments and how long did it take for that to be admitted to? The Kennedy assassination? Manhattan Project- over 100,000 ppl involved and Truman didn't even know about it. many other examples as well. I suggest you do the research, but look at the facts, not speculative ideas- only then will you find the truth.

Elizabeth- you obviously have not done your research. Check out the peer reviewed paper called Why indeed did the World Trade Center Towers collaspe by Dr. Steven Jones- a physicist. In fact, there is even a Journal of 9/11 which is a series of peer reviewed papers. In fact the popular mechanics report has been debunked you just assume it has not. I can prove this- go to www.st911.org which is made up of a large group of scholars supporting the alternative conspiracy theory. Scroll down and on the right you will find a number of scientific articles debunking the Popular Mechanics and NIST reports. You are truly uninformed about 9/11 and I suggest you do research on both sides of the story like i have.

Answer 1

Just WHAT about this President makes you think that he is remotely smart enough to keep something like this a secret?

Answer 2

I did read the article and saw this guy also on news programs and a video he put out. It seems awfully nuts that the federal gov't or someone in the USA would orchestrate this tragedy. However, those buildings fell precisely as if they were downed by controlled explosive detonations. Just like when a contractor brings down buildings. I'm convinced there's some "funnystuff" happening. I've read that two weeks prior to 9/11 those buildings were "closed" for two weeks due to some sort of electrical problem. Or alleged problems. Just think about it. If a plane hit the side how could such a symmetric crumbling to the ground have taken place? It would appear to me they'd have fallen sideways, partially sideways. But someone didn't want them to destroy anymore than necessary so it kinda appears that their destruction was controlled. The Pentagon. The hole is not large enough for a 737 to fly through. There are wing marks. Very very odd.

History reads that a gov't creates panic in it's people to throw them off so the people will be emotionally vulnerable at the time that gov't want those people to accept it's decisions.

Meaning that maybe the fed gov't swayed us to make us accept going into Iraq.

Answer 3

No need to attack you personally.

I will simply ask you some questions.

First, let us stipulate that there was indeed a conspiracy.

Where are the conspirators? Why have none come forward? Given the sickening, reprehensible nature of this particular conspiracy, why hasn't a a conspirator suffered an attack of conscience?

Maybe, if such a conspiracy exists, it might be too dangerous to openly confess. Why no leaks, though?

Government secrets are routinely leaked to newspapers.

Why no leaks in this case?

How many people would have to bought or coerced to keep something this evil a secret?

If the conspirators were willing to engage in wholesale bribery and intimidation to keep their secret safe, why then is the 9-11 truth movement unmolested?

***Note: Truman didn't know about the Manhattan Project, but the Soviet Union sure as hell did. And I would also like to point out that the Manhattan Project was not an effort to score an own goal on the USA. ***

Answer 4

I believe I have an answer

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070312...
"Debunking The 9/11 Myths-Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up To The Facts " an in-depth investigation by , Popular Mechanics

Answer 5

Bush had nothing to do with 9-11. If you want to place blame on anybody for 9-11 you need to look at the man who was president just before this all happened. Bush is a good man. You are all just jealous because he has money so you think he must be the bad guy....

If I am wrong and Bush did have a hand in this and its ever found out it will be an end to life as well all know it in this country.

Answer 6

I have to wonder what Paul Craig Roberts gets out of writing an article designed to sell Griffin's book. I heard and understood the architect's and the structural designer's explanation and it fit with what I saw and what I know about strength of materials and how the react in a fire situation. The only conspiracy theory I hold to is that our president knew beforehand and saw to it that the attack was allowed to happen.

Answer 7

First of all any article published on a site called prisonplanet.com is suspect.

Conspiracy theories abound, and are silly. This is among the silliest.

This country can’t keep a secret about much of anything, open societies rarely can. If even 1% of this garbage was true, the Bush hating media would be all over it.

No, its bunk

Answer 8

Yes it is interesting. I don't believe it, mainly because of the scope of the conspiracy. You would have to believe that the people that planted explosives, the people that set it all up and everyone else involved (we are talking hundreds of people if it went as the conspiracy theorists say it did) all kept their mouths shut and are still keeping them shut. This administration couldn't keep the name of who leaked Valerie Plame's identity a secret, you honestly believe they could keep something like 911 a secret?.....is there more than the "official" story? maybe, but not likely.

Answer 9

And what credentials does this man have in the subject under discussion? None. I have more, I have a degree in physics.

I ask you, why do all the conspiracy theories only appear on the Internet? Could it be because they are unactionable there? Why, if there is so much 'evidence' do none of the 'experts' publish their findings in reputable professional journals and allow those who have expertise in the field to comment on their 'findings'? Could it be that an economist has no knowledge on structural engineering or aeronautical engineering?

No one has 'debunked' the Popular Mechanics article other than to say it is not true. That of course means the experts who wrote that piece are wrong, by your standards. Someone who knows nothing about engineering says an engineer is wrong so of course the engineer is wrong. Really proves it was a conspiracy!

A few, self-proclaimed experts who actually have no expertise in the fields they are holding forth on are the only evidence the conspiracy theorists can produce. Very convincing, if you have already decide it was a conspiracy but not if you are rational. Until these 'experts' put their 'theories' in a reputable professional journal it will remain no more than the meanderings of unqualified fanatics out to make a point.

Edit. The only 'peer' reviews you produce are in comics specifically written for and by conspiracy theorists. There are many reputable, and I repeat REPUTABLE journals, why not use those? Because the so called research is sloppy, unauthenticated and by people who have absolutely no knowledge in the field they are talking about. I don't care if your expert is an economist, he knows nothing about engineering, less than I do so he is irrelevant. I want to see articles by engineers in engineering journals, not conspiracy comics. The popular machanics was authenticted and based on hard facts and evidence. It as only beeen debunked in the minds of those who don't want it to be right but by no reputable engineers.
Here are a few sites and documents I have researched

http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/052...
Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures
http://enr.construction.com/news/buildin...
IT WAS THE FIRE, CAUSED THE TWIN TOWER COLLAPSE - icivilengineer.com
http://www.icivilengineer.com/news/wtc/f...
Simulation for the collapse of WTC after aeroplane impact - Lu XZ., Yang N., Jiang JJ. Structure Engineer, 66(sup.). 2003, 18-22
Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
"Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.
Brannigan, F.L.
"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.
Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.
"Construction and Collapse Factors"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.
Corbett, G.P.
"Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.
"Dissecting the Collapses"
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.
Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.
Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
(also available on-line)
Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A.
"Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center"
The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.
Glover, N.J.
"Collapse Lessons"
Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103
Marechaux, T.G.
"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering"
JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.
Monahan, B.
"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations"
Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.
Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D.
"Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?"
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.
National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs
“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.
Pinsker, Lisa, M.
"Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site"
Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001).
The print copy has 3-D images.
Public Broadcasting Station (PBS)
Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary.
NOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online)
Post, N.M.
"No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report"
ENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14.
Post, N.M.
"Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing"
ENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14.
The University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering
World Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects
A resource site.
"WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives"
ENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.
The Towers Lost and Beyond
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Eduardo Kausel, John E. Fernandez, Tomasz Wierzbicki, Liang Xue, Meg Hendry-Brogan, Ahmed F. Ghoniem, Oral Buyukozturk, Franz-Josef Ulm, Yossi Sheffi

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/...
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technolo...
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/loosecha...

Answer 10

Of course it was a conspiracy, it didn't happen by accident.

Question is, why didn't bush DO something to TRY to STOP the attacks?

Was he that scared or did he want them to succeed?

"Traitors all"?

LOL

So why aren't you DOING something about it, yellowbelly?

"Watch this" Right! penn & teller are the AUTHORITIES on terrorists! what a joke!

penn says to push a person down a flight of stairs for carrying a book he doesn't agree with. How un-American can he get?

PROOF 9/11 WAS a CONSPIRACY.

http://www.loosechange911.com/

ONLY a FOOL would deny FACTS.

Answer 11

I think the professor should stick to economics. He has no better understanding of physics than the average man on the street.