How Many People Believe Gender Roles, Like Sexual Orientation Are Not Scientifically Important?

Question

Three words "annihilation of characteristics." When a species becomes overly trophic toward its own likeness its begins to self annahilate, and the world is doing so in a big way. Male no longer confidently know thier roles and females likewise, which will intern annihilate the whole race as the offspring become entrapped in the violent chaos of emotional uncenteredness, slowly driving them to insanity and eventually and loss of the human instinct. What do you think, but beware if you cannot fully understand this thread please do not comment, this is for those whom can comprehend accurately, not for mindless opinions.

Answer 1

Marcus, please take a second to think about this - you are asserting that straying from our assigned roles can lead us into chaos - but where would these rules have originated from? Would they not be arbitrary based soley on one's perception/opinion/preference/concept-of-surrounding? Who tells you you have to be any particular way, and why would you feel inclined to have to believe them?

The human condition has a big pitfall. We are born reliant, for food, shelter, education. This reliance causes us to feel we are not the source of anything that we need, and that all truth originates from outside of us. We are raised by parents, friends, and societies that tell us things are this and that way. Well you know what, said who? And what would make them the expert, and why would I feel compelled to buy into those credentials.

I would tell you that the dangerous thing is to believe that something arbitrary could lead to damage. A belief in damage will cause the believer to feel damaged. The sense of impending doom can quickly turn into the equivalent of doom.

You post makes me feel slightly concerned for you, and I don't intend to mean that in any belittling or patronizing way. You seem to express the feeling that your whole experience in life has taught you to expect things to be a certain way, and when you look around you, you are seeing that all fall apart and you are concerned. I don't blame you. But maybe this importance in roles exists only in our belief of it.

I have no such belief in roles, therefore, the roles can be violated around me all day long and I don't mind. I see no danger or concern. Individuals who do see a danger in it can be dangerous themselves because they will respond in self defence, trying to either force people into the roles they believe are required or even just simply attacking them for violating the feelings on how the world around them should be. You yell fire in a crowd and watch how many people get trampled all because others thought they were in harm's way.

If not having an assigned role to play out leads someone to insanity, we must ask why. Is there some inherent need for us to be led that is ingrained into the fabric of existance? If there is, what would lead us, and where did it get its ability to just up and lead. Is that which leads us lead by something else, and what's at the top of that chain? Hitler was a decent example of people's need for being led leading them nowhere but astray.

Here's my mantra: said who. If we assume that God exists, and someone said to God, you can't just go around creating planets and stars and all this random stuff. It's just not possible and won't function in the long run. This restriction, and this need, and this obstacle, and this "law of no perpetual motion" and this and that and that and this, I think his responce must of had to have been, said who.

Why do you really people in the roles? Can you look at your perceptions of the world and note that all of your beliefs are a reflection of you? They do not necessarily reflect anything other than you, including this abstract idea of truth we all illude to everyday. However, your beliefs can harm you. I you don't believe me, then good, I wouldn't believe me either and I don't assume I'm right. I'm just throwing out ideas, and ideas affect me, they seem to affect you as well.

So be careful which beliefs you buy into, honestly. Need is best kept to a minimum. You already need food, water, air, sleep... do you really have the energy to buy into more arbitrary beliefs about why you need to be any particular way? Said who. Be you. Go with what feels right. If it feels wrong, take a moment to reflect - maybe what is wrong is not the without, but the within.

And I guess to answer you question, I do not feel gender roles are inherently important. I feel they are arbitrary and relegated to societal context. Had you been born in another culture on another planet, you might be following some other completely arbitrary role. You biological sex itself was just pushed upon you. Can you really say that somehow your male or female sex is a reflection of who you are? I guess you can, only if you believe what you are is the ~result~ of your experiences here on earth. To me, it might as well have just been a coin tossed in the air, heads you're male, tails you're female.

The problem is, these things, as arbitrary as I may claim them to be, can and do affect us in many ways, for good and bad. My MAJOR point here is that the vast majority of ~why~ we are affected by them is because of the power we lend the ideas with our beliefs.

I could go on and on.... obviously. Over the next couple of weeks, see if you can watch you stream of consciousness and spot the times when you realize that You are the being saying things are this and that way. You are the one agreeing or refuting what others tell you. You have decided that you know the truth and reality of certain things. You, in and of yourself just up and stated, asserted, or went along.

And you cannot expect the whole world to fall into your way of thinking. The odds alone are just completely against it. So pick your battles. So some guy is somewhat feminine or some girl aggressive. Should these things affect you? If they do, what is they source of their power over you and who granted it?

Your post above sounds like chicken little to me. He thought the sky way falling and he didn't enjoy what he was going through one little bit. Ask yourself if you can really identify, concretely, how gender roles (since you brought them up specifically) not being adhered to causes you distress based on anything besides your belief in how it should be. If not, the the harm resides in your perception and would need to be treated there.

Personally I'd say gender roles are damaging and the sooner they go away the better. Telling anyone they need to act within a certain set of conditions is an unfair thing to ~impose~ upon them. People eventually become disgruntled at this type of social pressure. But I too must keep in mind that my belief in this is powerful and affects me almost as much if not more than the imposition of such a role itself.

Maybe if you are interested in discussing these and other ideas further, you can e-mail me through my profile. I'd really enjoy it if we could share our ideas and beliefs openly in a good spirit.

--charlie

Answer 2

I understand the thread. It just seems overly drawn out and unintelligent.

As for roles in society? The only roles we truly need are the ones that complement our partners. If it works for you to be a housekeeper while your wife makes a living, that's fine. If you want a more traditional role, that's fine. As long as two people work together, that's all that matters.

If you're saying that the proper way to do things would be for a man to marry a woman, have sex with only women, and perpetuate the species, I can't argue with you.

If you're saying that people shouldn't have a choice to have relations with their own sex, then I'll have to disagree. God gave us free will for a reason. Doesn't mean he likes where that free will leads us at times.

Answer 3

These roles are socially constructed, it's time to realize that.