when will the ACLU form a class action suit to sue CPS for wrongful accusations, damages?

Question

If the ACLU is really out to defend constitutional rights, tell me why it does nothing at all about all the innocent people that have had their lives ruined and children taken away from them, often for years, by any of the child protection agency [ies] of the individual states? "rights" to accuse anybody of the neglect, molestation, or abuse of a child are accorded to the accuser, not the person accused.

this was all set up by the Mondale Act, a/k/a CAPTA, when Walter Mondale was vice president (btw, Janet Reno, who engineered mass killing in Waco, TX, got into office because she was the florida champion against anyone accused of such acts against children).

the constitution guarantees that an accused must:

1. have a speedy trial;

2. know who his accuser is;

3. have court-appointed counsel if he cannot retain his own attorney;

4. and other rights.

... TBC, look below:

... the child protection services, called different names in different states due to MORE THAN AMPLE federal funding, are under NO OBLIGATION to be accountable to those that are accused of any objectionable behavior to a child.

i've done a heck of a lot of (writer's) research on this topic. the only reason i haven't got a book out about it is because most falsely accused are so emotionally distraught by having their children taken from them or not be allowed to see them, etc., that they can't supply me with a logical timeline of the events that led up to the accusation.

how could YOU defend yourself if the bell rang at 5 a.m. by a policeman with a subpoena or warrant or order of protection telling you that you cannot see or interact with your children until you provide evidence that you did NOT commit any accuser's act against the child(ren)? what do you do when your kids are removed from your house and put into foster care for up to SEVEN years, time enough to "prove" that YOU

never did do anything to harm the child(ren)? yes, it's true that wrongly accused, later to be found innocent after putting mortgages on their houses because the government will not provide them free legal aid in this instance of accusation, have sometimes not even seen their kids for SEVEN years!

if no true evidence exists that the parent did anything harmful, but only the word of someone who could be out to "get" the parent, how is it that CPS can use the word "indicated" to mean that some harm by the parent is indicated to have been committed? so, if there is no indictment but only an "indication," why can the accused not obtain their legal rights to defense under laws outlined in the constitution?

do you have any idea how ridiculous this issue has gotten? any photography processing service, if it sees a picture of your baby nude in the bathtub (ALL parents until now have such pictures, totally innocent) must turn you into the police, who then hand it to the CPS!

then the accused is forced to request a copy of the CPS file. i've seen them. i don't know how the accused even can make heads or tails out of them because so much of who, where, how, why, when, and the CONTEXT of the accusation is redacted (it means blackened out, because the accuser, so it is said by CPS, has a "right" to be protected)!

Oh? how about if you went to walmart and stole a set of pillowcases? it would prosecute you if you did not pay a new, special (in IL, at least) fee for ONLY its suspicion that you stole the object--payment to be given to walmart, well above the amount of a pair of pillowcases!

well, in that instance, you:

1. have the right to trial by jury; and you have

rights outlined above. you are able to know who accused you, you are able to obtain free legal counsel to defend you (say you didn't do it but you intended to--walmart gets all that money even for your "thought" of doing it if you put the package into your purse! your lawyer will demand speedy

trial, for it is truly wrongful that an accused should have to live with the onus of being a thief placed upon her by the store, and by the community (in small towns, it's often broadcasted on the radio and in the paper that YOU, including your name and address, were "caught" stealing x).

but not so in the CPS "indications" and indictments, either. the government amply funds the state agencies for their witch hunts (many of their workers never even had a child), but no money is given for defense.

the services NEVER have to be accountable for their deeds and actions. they lie to the accused--i know it from a good friend that was falsely accused who would NEVER do anything in any way to harm a child--making up stories in order to have the accused "confess" to the act, stories, as far as i have heard from my friend, that are simply incredible. (the police can do the same when questioning a suspect, but not after arrest).

well, if after indictment or "indication" of hurting a child,

one is legally unable to get a file from CPS that shows who accused what, when, where, and how so, i.e., the "proof" that the accuser has presented, how can a person defend themselves?

i'll try to find the website that falsely and wrongly accused post at and amend this question, placing the link here for your evaluation.

but if the ACLU is the champion of civil rights and liberties, then the ACLU should take on a class action suit and fight the government on behalf of anyone ever wrongly accused, to obtain damages for psychological cruelty to the accused, as well as damages for the breakdown of their family, and for legal fees, including interest accrued, because they have to take out loans to hire an attorney.

i want to see the ACLU, this lefty organization that wants to defend the confessed terrorist of the acts on 911 and before, as well as pushing upon us the "right" of NAMBLA members to advertise (on the web) their viewpoints of LITERAL CHILD ENDANGERMENT and CHILD damages

damages to children that are, in fact, committed upon them by adult men, members of NAMBLA, take on a class action suit against the government that includes the demand for new and fair rules of CPS witch hunters in order that the accused is able to defend herself/himself!

when i see the ACLU work hard to get these terrible laws changed, for ONLY those "indicated" of, or indicted for, abusing a child for example, for making the child eat a SLIVER of soap for using filthy language ("poison"), or for the child having the right to accuse his parent of child abuse because he got a spanking (not bare bottomed and not beaten), or because the child is pictured naked in a bathtub, then i will begin to believe that the ACLU really is committed to defending our constitution.

please give me a link that shows me, if you think it will, that the ACLU has EVER done anything to change such outlandish CAPTA laws, what happened with it that protects the citizen against harm...

what RECOURSE? my friend might have sued the state CPS agency, but she would have had to front her lawyer a retainer of $30,000 to even begin!

to err on the side of the child? do you recall the case in the southern states against all employees of a child care center based upon lies coached out of little children by "psychologists," so called experts in the field of proof of child exploitation? do you know that their own children were removed from their parental care and that even though it was found, later, that the children had told outright lies against the employees and owners of this center, that a few of them are still in prison? nothing wrong happened to the kids. but one little fib set a train in motion, to destroy adults that did their job in caring for children! this is wrongful! this is harmful! this is not right! this practically kills a family! certainly, it killed that owners' business and reputation! but CPS is not held ACCOUNTABLE for what it says or does!

RECOURSE: here it is for my friend, wrongly accused, therefore even forcing her to move out of the neighborhood, selling the family home, due to her loss of reputation. after 2.5 years of such heartache that she had a nervous breakdown and lost so much weight that her own family feared she may starve, the recourse, per her lawyer, is that because the "indication" of child abuse was found to be fictitious and based on DOUBLE, not single, hearsay (of course the accuser never showed for the hearing because she was a family destroying liar)--therefore, closing the case with order that the records against her to be expunged, the RECOURSE is ONLY that if she applies for, and is denied, work with children, then due to the magistrate's order that the records be expunged and obviously they were not, that she can sue. and that is all she could do. but know that her entire life was destroyed forever, and the psychological health of her child was destroyed too because he was put into foster car

tell me, why doesn't the ACLU sue so that even one thing MUST be done in these cases, which is to require that the accuser be put on the stand or attend the hearing to give impeachable testimony of her/his lies that caused so much familial destruction? and why doesn't this bastion of young attorneys who claim to uphold our constitution make it so that the accused has the right to receiving an entire file with nothing redacted (blackened out), in order that the accused can make SENSE out of the file?

yes, the ACLU is an enemy that lives within our own nation, an internal enemy. this is DANGEROUS. it is DANGEROUS for the ACLU to fight on "behalf" of a confessed 911 terrorist that is not from our country! let him buy his own attorney! haven't the families of suicide bombers been given the ample money and goods that were promised to them, by terrorist leaders, because their son went to allah? let bin laden foot their legal bills. yeah, sure.

ONE website, http://journals.aol.com/mamaws3angels/THETERRIBLETRUTHABOUTCPSANDDCS/
I am looking for "VOCAL," which used to have the best examples.

here is another link with many links:
http://www.fightcps.com/2004_08_08_archive.html

(VOCAL is based in CA and has gotten so big that it no longer holds a discussion group of people wrongly accused. But CA, which of course always is the leader of trends that go east, is picking up some steam in suing the government for its negligent witch hunting practices. and i learned that you may file a complaint against the usa that is always kept on file with the un for the future, when laws will change so you can sue.

from the UK, but extremely similar to what happened to my friend! : http://www.false-allegations.org.uk/false-allegations.html

see first answer. what in the world would be a "conception" of abuse? one conceives that abuse has occurred? how is that? who is telling whom what? the CPS tells the ACLU that there it has "conceived" of a wrongful act? or does the ACLU tell the public who comes to it for representation for false accusation and the breakup of a family that it, the ACLU, "conceives" that there has been an abuse to a child by them, the family of the child?

what is the defense if the defending attorneys have a preconception of guilt?

as i see it, this is hypocritical on the part of the ACLU because it is following along with the game that the government laid out for such "indications" of guilt, which is that the party that is accused is forced to prove that he is innocent.

no other charges of breaking the law are such that the party that is accused of so doing is presumed guilty.

it is exactly the opposite: the charged is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers.

well, then. if the ACLU is so concerned that the standards upon which this country was formed, i.e., the bill of rights and the constitution of the united states of america are carried out justly for one and for all, then the ACLU has a duty to sue the federal government and the state agencies that impose such "conceptions" or "indications" of wrongful acts committed upon minors by any adult for the damages that the government has inflicted upon the accused by presumption of guilt without trial by jury or judge.

it's quite simple. one that has stolen a set of pillowcases is "indicated" of commiting theft. yet the accused "thief" is afforded all consitutional freedoms and help to prove himself innocent.

this is what i think: i believe that the ACLU will not undertake a lawsuit either against separate state agencies of the CPS, or against the federal agency of the Chile Protection Services because the attorneys will not get PAID.

what a measly excuse.

the entire "justice" system needs overhauling when it comes to accusations of child abuse. there are too many instances of brat teenagers destroying the reputation of their fathers, therefore, supposedly negligent mothers (for not noticing what never was committed anyway) for molestation of their bodies as children.

there are too many accusations of child abuse that are coached out of small children, who are very good at tellling little stories, to have lurid memories of abuse upon their person when none has been done.

the reason that the witch hunting, but very well paid, agency workers ("counselors") cajole and trick adult family members to say things in such a way that they can be misconstrued to represent guilt is because these witch hunters NEVER have to ACCOUNT for their actions.

so, who suffers? the entire family suffers. the child who tells tales suffers the worst, because he is forcefully removed from the care of his family who has not yet been proved guilty.

these champions of the innocent (such as those that are not yet allowed to advertise their child molestation viewpoints--their right of free speech--namely, the members of NAMBLA) do NOT fight for the free speech rights of those that are accused by CPS, only because they, the adults, are presumed guilty without proof. something stinks here.

what thinking adult automatically believes the word of a child, telling a story, about anything at all? don't we take the stories of children with a grain of salt, attributing them to their imagination and actually condoning them for having that beautiful quality, that imagination?

so how can it be just that if the child comes up with drawings or stories based on imagination or based on something that perhaps he heard told (by teachers who teach the children what is abuse, including a spanking) somewhere else, maybe by someone that was REALLY harmed by an adult, to totally IGNORE the rights of the adults who care for that child?

Travesty

it truly is a travesty when adults are now so frightened to even say hello to a child walking down the street, or to compliment a girl who wears a pretty dress in a store, because that could be mistaken for the adult having thoughts of sexual conduct with the child!

as a youngster i once became lost trying to walk back to my house from school. i made a wrong turn. a stranger helped me find the way to my street. he held my hand and talked gently to me because i was crying. but all he did was take me to the correct street.

the public is terrified of performing an act or deed that benefits a child because if the child tells his parents or a teacher about it, such adult may mistake it for "indicated" thoughts of future child molestation! and then the long, hard, expensive and tearful proving of one's innocence begins. yes, the CPS "counselors" can in fact start a fire on the "accused" "indicated" party for simply helping a kid get home. when will defenders of justice change it?

EEEEE: the defective products are allowances within CAPTA that give caseworkers rights not to do any investigation prior to beginning the "indication" or indictment of who is assumed to be guilty, therefore, the defective product is assumption of guilt. these people have no money other than the minimum they can scrape up to hire a lawyer to simply defend them against the false accusation. meanwhile, the damages are multiple to ALL wrongly accused. if ACLU defends men that MOLEST young boys, then ACLU should defend broke people--as a class--whose entire families have been ripped apart only because the government itself refuses to require investigation prior to accusation. it is the ACTION of INACTION on the part of the government to dissuade caseworker ACCOUNTABILITY of its methodology used to engender such accusations (which trample on regular rights in our constitution against accused) with no real basis of fact or truth. the wronged are the families/reputations/children of accused!

Answer 1

The ACLU is a bogus organization. You have to have something to suite thier agenda, whether its money or a case that help the fringe minority put thier rights above the common good. Truth is they don't care about people just fringe issues.

Answer 2

The ACLU is actually on the side of DCYS in this case. You can find info on their website. They feel it is the right of the state to remove children, based upon a "conception of abuse" until it is resolved.

Answer 3

This has nothing to do with a class action lawsuit and the aclu is not who you should be looking for. You need a regular victims rights lawyer

Answer 4

It's a balance between the rights of parents and the rights of children. In my observation, it is difficult to get a child taken away.

There is recourse if the charges are false. But we have decided to err on the side of the child.

Answer 5

Kidnapping children is a high-dollar business. CPS gets away with it all the time, and I bet you more than anything that the ACLU will back them up on it.

Answer 6

we cant take no chances with children and
no one wants to take any blame for what mite happen