Why do liberals lie when they say it's not a choice if you are gay or not when there are millions of ex-gays?

Question

Proof that they are lying.

Answer 1

I’m a gay guy and I know many other gay guys. Not one of us has ever met an “ex-gay” and yet you claim there are millions of them. There are lots of bisexual married men who later end up in a male-male relationship. There are also some bisexuals who’ve had male-male relationships and later end up getting married to a woman. These men are people who’ve enjoyed sex with both sexes, so they’re bisexual (not ex-gays or ex-straights). The word you’re looking for is “bisexual” and it’s not the same as being gay.

Answer 2

Each person must make their own path in life and I find this post to be troubling in a deep way mainly because the wording is confrontative which leads one to reply in an aggressive manner. I guess my other response to this question is which side of the fencepost are you? Not that it matters, but your statements seem construed to a fundamentalist heterosexual perspective. Choice? Many things can be at the root of a homosexual identity. If you do the research you will find that there are actually genetic predispositions, and sometimes life events can cause one to yes choose. If one chooses then I assume they can unchoose and go back to heterosexuality. However, it is a bold assumption that all people choose. People come in all varieties so why cannot people just get along with each other? It would make the world a much more peaceful environment

Answer 3

I think maybe you are confusing terms here a little bit. You CAN have sex with the same gender without being gay, there are many types, like experimenting, where the people are NOT gay. Just because someone experiments, it doesn't make them gay. SO I would say that the people that you consider as ex-gay are one of 2 types: people who were never gay at all, or people who are suppressing their gay-ness due to societal pressures. The people who were only experimenting usually turn out all right, the ones suppressing can have MANY problems mentally. I think THAT shows that it is NOT a choice right there!

Answer 4

First off I have a question: Why are you prejudice against gay people?? My best friend is gay. You have made many prejudice statements on here, and frankly, I think you are a duchebag. Are you also prejudice against black people, and Jews? You are an asshole, and a disgrace to the name of George Bush. That's right, I'm a Republican. NOT LIBERAL, however, when it comes to prejudging, I have to side with the gay community. George Bush has made some good decisions. One he has made is taking terrorists out of the US. That leads me to my next question, why aren't you gone?? You seem like a terrorist to me, so I have to ask why he hasn't put you into exile or just had you killed. I wouldn't kill you of course because I believe in free speech, even when it is given to idiots like you. I guess you are good for a good laugh though. As for your daughter and her lesbo gym teacher: you should be more worried about filling your daughter with sicko ideas. You are much more dangerous than some gym teacher.

Answer 5

Find me a million ex-gays, and then you can ask the question.
There are some ex-gays, who have been brainwashed. The rest of the gay population haven't been snatched by the conservative's jaws yet.

Answer 6

They arn't lying.

Is having a foot a choice?

You could always remove your foot, easily.

It's still quite debatable with the 'ex gays' are actually heterosexual or if they are simply gays that are supressing their feelings and going thru the motions. From what I've heard in interviews with them, it's mostly the latter. They co-habitate with a woman. They hump her occasionally. They raise children. It's more like being room-mates than being in love.

Answer 7

Listen, let's say someone has brown eyes, and the church doesn't like that. Well that person can go and get blue contacts and outwardly appear "acceptable", but underneath he is still gonna have brown eyes no matter what. Same thing with the "ex"-gays. They say they are straight and like the opposite sex, underneath they haven't changed at all.

Answer 8

And how many of those 'ex-gays' are living lies?? Hasn't the poster boy for the 'ex-gay' movement (I forget his name) been spotted hanging around in gay bars AFTER renouncing his homosexuality and getting married??

one has to wonder who's lying.

Answer 9

No actually YOU are Lying.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_repar.htm
There aren't millions of ex-gays. Their numbers don't even reach the thousands, and the all seem to mysteriously "vanish"....

Answer 10

Well the ex-gay movement encompasses a variety of perspectives (some believing that abstaining from sex makes you ex-gay, some believing that acting out masculine roles corrects gayness, some believing that although they are attracted to both sexes if they have no relationship with the same sex it makes them ex-gay, etc.). It's not actually that cohesive and massive a movement but it is oftensituated in a stong belief system that emphasizes evangelism (or conversion).

There are a couple recent studies on reparative therapy.
One is the Spitzer study.

"In May 2001, Dr. Robert Spitzer, who was involved in the original declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder, presented a paper on reparative therapy at the APA annual convention. He reported that 66% of the men and 44% of the women he sampled had achieved "good heterosexual functioning" through interventions.[28] This paper was widely reported by proponents of reparative therapy as evidence of success of the therapy, and as the first step towards official acceptance and the legitimisation of reparative therapy.

"The APA immediately issued an official disavowal of the paper, noting that it had not been peer-reviewed and bluntly stating that "There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of reparative therapy as a treatment to change one's sexual orientation."[24]


"The paper has been criticized on various grounds, including using non-random sampling and poor criteria for "success". Critics argue that it relied upon samples selected by reparative therapists themselves (86 participants were handpicked by ex-gay organizations), that proper random samplings were not used, that small samplings were used, that the subjects appeared to be ex-gay advocates who may have been biased in favor of reparative therapies, that 60% of the subjects had previously reported being bisexual, and that no follow-up study had been carried out to acertain long-term conversion.[29][24]

"Spitzer himself played down the results of his own paper; upon being asked about the 200 patient sample after 16 months, and the percentage of people who might succeed, Spitzer said that it took almost a year and a half to only find 200 willing individuals, and therefore, the number of homosexuals who could successfully become heterosexual was likely to be "pretty low". He also conceded that the study's participants were "unusually religious." "

-from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparative_therapy#Shidlo_and_Schroeder_study

The other (less publicized, I wonder why) a year later by Shidlo and Schroeder.

"A 2002 peer-reviewed study by Dr. Ariel Shidlo and Dr. Michael Schroeder found that 88% of participants failed to achieve a sustained change in their sexual behaviour and 3% reported changing their orientation to heterosexual. The remainder reported either losing all sexual drive or struggling to remain celibate, with no change in attraction. Schroeder said many of the participants who failed felt a sense of shame. Many had gone through reparative therapy programs over the course of many years. Their study sample included both participants connected with reparative therapy advocates, as well as participants recruited through the Internet. Of the 8 respondents (out of a sample of 202) who reported a change in sexual orientation, 7 were employed in paid or unpaid roles as ex-gay counselors or group leaders, something which has led many to question whether even this small "success" rate is in fact reliable. [22][27]"

-from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparative_therapy#Shidlo_and_Schroeder_study